The Royal Navy have confirmed that the names of two new fast patrol boats, which will be based in Gibraltar, will be HMS Dagger and HMS Cutlass.

According to a news release, Dagger is a name new to the Royal Navy.

“It was due to have been assigned to a weapon-class anti-submarine escort in late World War 2. But, the conflict ended and the ship was cancelled. Only one previous HMS Cutlass has served under the White Ensign. During the 1970s with her sisters Scimitar and Sabre, not the same vessels which later served in Gibraltar.

She was used to train Royal Navy and NATO warships to deal with the threat of fast missile/torpedo craft as part of the First Fast Training Boat Squadron.”

 

The Royal Navy also provided the following stats on the craft.

  • Powered by 3x Volvo D13-1000 engines (each producing 1,000hp) and 3x MJP350X water jets
  • 6 crew (plus 6 passengers)
  • up to 40 knots
  • initially will carry 3x purpose machine gun (1 on fore deck, 2 off deck), will be fitted for (but not with) the 0.50cal heavy machine guns
  • Length: 19.0m.
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James Fennell
James Fennell
13 days ago

Bravo, edged weapons seems a good naming convention for patrol boats – BMT have a family of these patrol boat designs of assorted sizes, many in use by Bahrein and Qatar. Can see them replacing P2000s in due course.

Last edited 13 days ago by James Fennell
captain p wash
captain p wash
13 days ago

“Fitted for (but not with)” How much fitting for does a 50 cal actually require ? Is there a big cost saving ? …. just asking out of genuine interest until the Daily Star runs an article along the lines of “Royal Navy shows off it’s latest Battleships” !!! ( it’s a joke BTW just in case anyone a bit dim doesn’t realise ).

Stephen Ball
Stephen Ball
13 days ago
Reply to  captain p wash

Storage space on ship for ammo, could also mean extra storage for bigger bits eg 30mm.

captain p wash
captain p wash
13 days ago
Reply to  Stephen Ball

Pretty basic fit then I guess. Not that it matters really, they will do the job just fine I’m sure.

Nate m
Nate m
13 days ago
Reply to  captain p wash

I don’t what the hype about 50 Cals are. like 20mms do more damage plus more penetration!

Airborne
Airborne
13 days ago
Reply to  Nate m

Size and stabilty of the platform will depend on the weapon fit and the 20mm would seem to large to be fitted, ammo storage etc. Trust me, there’s no hype about the 50 cal, it’s a fucking beast, one which is accurate and has a stunning capacity to penetrate, and in single shot it’s very accurate and very cost effective.

Gunbuster
Gunbuster
13 days ago
Reply to  Airborne

Can’t argue with that.
The RN operators have been crying out for it for years as we saw the RMs using it.
Inversley, the RM operators where crying out for the RNs mini guns because of the insane volume of fire they put out to suppress and chew stuff up.

Either way the RN has 50 cals on most platforms now and the RM could fit mini guns to ORKs if they wanted to.

Now if the RN had 3 barrel 50 cal Gecal gatling guns…. 🤗

Airborne
Airborne
13 days ago
Reply to  Gunbuster

Likewise seeing the Chinook miniguns in action on approach, always wanted one. Get the “predater” version, man mounted with big cigar and airborne tash!

And how about helmet mounted CAMM missiles, with shoulder launched land attack missile. Should keep the naysayers about weaponry and armament happy 😁.

Chris
Chris
13 days ago
Reply to  Airborne

So basically we need to develop a real life Iron Man. I’d vote for that… Moustache should be compulsory BTW…

David
David
11 days ago
Reply to  Chris

The gay is strong in you two… just saying 😉

Helmet mounted Camm? Why not a back pack TLAM?

Nate m
Nate m
9 days ago
Reply to  David

ur kidding right? u wanna launch a cruse missile of ur back.

Reaper
Reaper
13 days ago
Reply to  Nate m

Over hyped by people who’ve never made contact with one. Crap weapon in my opinion unless gyro mounted. Pintle or low mount one and you might as well just use a L129, you’ll get rounds on target quicker.
20mm RWS is a far better solution for boats

Airborne
Airborne
13 days ago
Reply to  Reaper

Realy, loved it myself, solid, clunky and an ideal FSG weapon, a heavy round with a decent effect at range, although ammo quality could be an issue, as with cleanilness. Now L129, beautiful, how long did it take to realise that 7.62 is needed to cover the 400-800 metre engagements. 5.56 was never a decent option, for NATO, at any level. Always remember the SLR (old git I know) accurate, effective and can put people down. Cheers.

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
13 days ago
Reply to  captain p wash

Or, Someone who’s been reading the Daily Star and the Mail of course to know about their published articles on Ukraine.

Give it up Captian, you keep making a total fool of yourself, nothing new I know but…

Any news from Mystic Meg Lately?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9492875/Ukraines-president-warns-Putin-millions-lives-stake-conflict-erupts.html

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
13 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Keep making comments in relation to me and expect a response. I told you this day’s ago. Are you experiencing problems with your short term Memory or just plain stupid?

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/uk-troops-could-head-ukraine-23934565

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
13 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Just in case you’ve forgotten.

“Crikey, Nigel Collins will love this !!! seriously though, I’ve been watching all sorts of different Defence/Defense and related News Media including Flight Tracking Sites, RT News, Aljazeera, CNN, Daily Star and Mail….. It’s all very worrying. I also detect a worried Russian “Leader” looking to boost support/income.”

Last edited 13 days ago by Nigel Collins
captain p wash
captain p wash
13 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

You OK Hun ? 🙂

Jan van der Werk
Jan van der Werk
13 days ago
Reply to  captain p wash

He is very aggressive isn’t he?

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
13 days ago

No, I just don’t stand for trolls making fun.
If you can’t take don’t start it.

Last edited 13 days ago by Nigel Collins
Captain P Wash
Captain P Wash
13 days ago

I think he likes me…. 6 embarrassingly cringeworthy posts on this article alone …. ( and counting ).

Jan van der Werk
Jan van der Werk
13 days ago
Reply to  Captain P Wash

I have got a pet too. Feed it kak and keep it in the dark. He is called Mushroom.

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
13 days ago
Reply to  captain p wash

I’m not the cabin boy!

Jan van der Werk
Jan van der Werk
13 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Do you take a turn in the barrel?

Jan van der Werk
Jan van der Werk
13 days ago
Reply to  captain p wash

Personally, l think these boats should be unarmed and painted bright red. Why would we want to frighten nice Spanish people with aggressive battleships? Putting weapons of mass destruction such as GPMG’s on things can only invite trouble.
And as for having diesel engines? They should have masts and sails with solar power. It is very unimaginative to have Doris saying one thing to the world and the navy doing the opposite.

Callum
Callum
12 days ago

You should start a petition to have the frigate fleet return to sail power and good ol’ cannon. Helicopters and missiles are far too polluting to form the main armament of a green warship, plus current ships only have a single main gun!

Jan van der Werk
Jan van der Werk
12 days ago
Reply to  Callum

lol! Yeah, did you hear Victory is on standby to replace Fat Lizzy going to China? Yeah, they are scared it will spring another leak.

Pete
Pete
13 days ago
Reply to  captain p wash

I’ll await the backlash but surely the aim of any class of armed fighting ship is not to match the probable threat but to overpower the probable threat its tasked with dealing with. If the threat is terrorism or drug smugglers etc armed with AK’s and GPMG then having something next level up to overpower the threat relatively safely for the crew…..in line with the principles of ALARP…. should apply to the duty of care of the crew.

Captain P Wash
Captain P Wash
13 days ago
Reply to  Pete

Hello mate, I guess it’s all a bit of a Grey area in the case of these two though, It’s not like Spain is Aggressive other than a few little digs and pokes, I guess the real threat would be Terrorists/Special Forces from other States in which case they would be Ideal around Gib Waters.

Pete
Pete
13 days ago
Reply to  Captain P Wash

Or terrorists making the hop from N Africa. Spain is not an issue. But plenty of cases of heavily armed terrorists coming ashore and shooting up beaches full of tourists. ..think it was in Tunisia and was it Egypt….never mind the Cole.

P

Captain P Wash
Captain P Wash
13 days ago
Reply to  Pete

Gib does have other Defences though and SAS history.

Pete
Pete
13 days ago
Reply to  Captain P Wash

Yes…but not always on ‘the runway ‘ !

Gunbuster
Gunbuster
13 days ago
Reply to  captain p wash

Same mounting pedestal fitted to the deck.
Different trainable part on top of the pedestal for different weapons be it GPMG, 50, or any other small arms.
Ammo stowage wise no real difference. 7.62 comes in a slab of 8 thin H83 boxes, 50 cal comes in a single H82 box, same length and height but double the width of a H83.

Oh the joys of being the OOQ and looking after magazines and the Ammo in them never leaves you!

Captain P Wash
Captain P Wash
13 days ago
Reply to  Gunbuster

Mate I really enjoy reading your posts, you could write Volumes about Weapons and so much more. Keep up the great work.

Herodotus
13 days ago
Reply to  Captain P Wash

I very much doubt that it is mutual!

Jan van der Werk
Jan van der Werk
13 days ago
Reply to  Herodotus

Stalker….still if it keeps you happy Nigel lol!

Captain P Wash
Captain P Wash
13 days ago

Funny that, where is he anyway ?

Captain P Wash
Captain P Wash
13 days ago
Reply to  Herodotus

Personally I’m not that bothered what you think one little bit, not a fan of Racist’s however you try to cover it up mate. I do enjoy reading actual defence related comments on here rather than having to read your hate filled and Troll like contributions, which incidentally are all you seem to contribute here.

Geoff
Geoff
13 days ago

Wow, now we cant even afford heavy machine guns…

Stephen Ball
Stephen Ball
13 days ago
Reply to  Geoff

Maybe we should fit 32 Sea Ceptor, happy now?

captain p wash
captain p wash
13 days ago
Reply to  Stephen Ball

Don’t forget Sampson !

BB85
BB85
13 days ago
Reply to  Stephen Ball

But what about the harpoon replacement, what else are we going to launch at those pesky Spanish Frigates when they invade our territorial waters 😂

captain p wash
captain p wash
13 days ago
Reply to  BB85

For this reason HMS Victory has been held in reserve and recently fitted for (but not with) 15 inch guns.

Airborne
Airborne
13 days ago
Reply to  BB85

The harpoon has been replaced with, er, another harpoon, but this one with lower in service maint costs, although the 200 metre rope behind it will need greasing every now and then…

Alan McShane
Alan McShane
13 days ago
Reply to  Stephen Ball

No aircraft. A disgrace.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
13 days ago
Reply to  Geoff

The GPMGs will be incase of terrorists, not the Spanish.
I imagine GPMG rounds will kill you or stop a speedboat as surely as a HMG round?

Airborne
Airborne
13 days ago

Spot on mate.

Airborne
Airborne
13 days ago

It’s always amusing when people disparage certain weapon systems, as it’s obvious they have never been on the receiving end of similar type, capability and calibre.

Jan van der Werk
Jan van der Werk
13 days ago
Reply to  Airborne

The SKS incoming made me duck. Luckily “they” could not get the hang of anything complex apart from RPG 7’s. And the last aimed at me was seen heading vertically to the moon. I laugh now but at the time it was what we call shrikwekkend.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
13 days ago
Reply to  Airborne

Evening mate.
Well you know I’ve not been on the receiving end, and I don’t bloody want to!
But for such minor vessels such as this quibbling over armament or lack of when 3 GPMG seems ample is just daft.

Lusty
Lusty
13 days ago

Mentioning patrol ships and complaints over their armament, you wait until you see HMS Tamar’s new paint job. 😉

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
13 days ago
Reply to  Lusty

I know!!!!!

Jan van der Werk
Jan van der Werk
13 days ago
Reply to  Geoff

Bietjie dom Geoff eh?

Heidfirst
Heidfirst
13 days ago
Reply to  Geoff

could be worse. Apparently following the cancellation of the Warrior upgrade we are now going to be selling £70 million of surplus 40mm cannons (fitting them to Boxer supposedly already ruled out) so we now appear to have “supplied equipment without platform” …
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/uk-warrior-upgrade-cancellation-makes-sale-of-ct40-cannons-likely

Last edited 13 days ago by Heidfirst
James Fennell
James Fennell
13 days ago
Reply to  Heidfirst

Yes because Boxer will get a RWS not a turret. So 30mm and / or ATGMs most lilkely lethality upgrade.

Heidfirst
Heidfirst
13 days ago
Reply to  James Fennell

Apparently Lockheed have already tested the 40mm turret on Boxer & lots of people were suggesting it as sensible on https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-looking-to-accelerate-introduction-of-boxer/ – which of course is why it will never happen.

John Roberts
John Roberts
13 days ago

Suspect the basic build will suffice for Scotland’s new navy once they secure indipendance.snp can then fund any upgrades when required.

Challenger
Challenger
13 days ago

Not prestigious names in the history of the Royal Navy but I think they are a good choice all the same. They fit small but fast and nimble patrol boats well!

captain p wash
captain p wash
13 days ago

If anyone finds a Plot, It’s Nigel’s !!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

Jonathan
Jonathan
13 days ago

40 knots around the bay and straits, who needs a machine gun , the smell of barf 🤢 will drive anyone away.

Rfn_Weston
Rfn_Weston
13 days ago

Quite a bit of bickering this morning! Happy to quietly observe this for a change 😁

Herodotus
13 days ago
Reply to  Rfn_Weston

Undoubtedly the sanest option!

heroic
heroic
13 days ago
Reply to  Rfn_Weston

This place should have a some kind of Blocking option. I’m fed up reading some of the Idiot’s mindless comments, unfortunately the likes of Herodotus and a couple of others just come here to berate and bully.

Hat’s off to the Captain for standing up to them I say.

captain p wash
captain p wash
12 days ago
Reply to  heroic

Blushing here mate LOL, Don’t worry about me, It takes more than CAPITAL LETTERS and School Playground type “Berating and Bullying” to actually make me give one !!!!! Have we met or maybe Conversed on other Sites ? There used to be a few great posters here a while back until these one/two/three Clowns (One and the same ?) vented their Spleens all over them and their comments. Are you ex RN ? Don’t think Nigel likes Matelots by all accounts !

Lusty
Lusty
12 days ago
Reply to  captain p wash

A keelhauling could be arranged, Captain.

(and not for you I might add!)

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
12 days ago
Reply to  Lusty

The one who starts them? but doesn’t like someone who stands up to him???

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
12 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Follow the trail of sarcastic comments and see where it leads.

heroic
heroic
12 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

It starts with You and You just keep it coming. Just take a look at all your bleating on this article. OMG man, go have a word with yourself.

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
12 days ago
Reply to  heroic

You need to follow who starts this before commenting.

Nic
Nic
12 days ago

Sturdy looking Patrol Boat

Andy a
Andy a
12 days ago

Jesus some people on here need to get a grip. It’s not a school yard and we’re supposed to be discussing defence issues. Can u all try to act like adults

captain p wash
captain p wash
12 days ago
Reply to  Andy a

Some of us do try mate.

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
12 days ago
Reply to  Andy a

Agreed, Follow the post to see who starts them.

heroic
heroic
12 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Well, I do that and it’s You. Or that Hero bloke mostly.

captain p wash
captain p wash
12 days ago

Evening all, What’s going down tonight then ? lol.

Lusty
Lusty
12 days ago
Reply to  captain p wash

The matelot part of me has several inappropriate jokes and thoughts relating to “going down”, but they would be inappropriate for this site. Just like some posters.

Have a good evening, Captain.

Thomas William O'Connor
Thomas William O'Connor
11 days ago

It looks like a converted pilot launch.

AlexS
AlexS
11 days ago

Too small, should be 25m for Spike NLOS or manpad/pedestal SAM

Last edited 11 days ago by AlexS
David Flandry
David Flandry
11 days ago

Should be called a coast guard vessel.