RFA Tidespring is the first of four Tide Class tankers and a dedication service took place in Portsmouth to officially welcome her into the fleet.

RFA Tidespring’s Commanding Officer Captain Simon Herbert said he was looking forward to taking the helm of the vessel:

“Sailing the first class of any ships is an immense privilege and I am extremely proud to be able to bring this highly modern, capable ship into Portsmouth Naval Base.”

The Tide class tanker is a class of four fast fleet tankers that will enter service with the Royal Fleet Auxiliary. The 37,000 tonne ships will provide fuel, food, fresh water, ammunition and other supplies to Royal Navy vessels around the world.

First steel was cut on the 24th of June 2014 for RFA Tidespring, she was expected to arrive in Falmouth in Spring 2016 to allow A&P Group to fit military equipment such as communications gear. Her three sister ships were to follow at six-month intervals.

The Tide class are a 37,000 tonne derivative of BMT Defence Services AEGIR-26 design, whose origins lie in a civilian tanker from Skipskonsulent of Norway.

They are double-hulled to reduce or prevent oil being lost by damage to the outer hull, in line with the MARPOL regulations for civilian tankers (from which military tankers are partially exempt).

The flight deck is large and strong enough for a Chinook helicopter to land on.

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Paul.P
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Paul.P

Some good news. Excellent.

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

These assets should really have some sort of CIWS fitted.
Are they even armed? Decoys?

barry white
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barry white

I remember when i was on RFA Regent during the Falklands war we had placements for the installation of chaff
We had them fitted ok BUT NOT until after the ceasefire
Shutting the gate after the horse has bolted springs to mind
(we had them fitted whilst at anchor off Port Stanley a helo lifted them into position for us )

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

Thank you for your service Barry.

I really think assets such as these should be armed with more than a few AA Guns.

FrankLT
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FrankLT

They have 2 Vulcan Phalanx CIWS & 2 30mm bushmasters for asymetric defense. Probably several miniguns too. That’s pretty standard for RFA replenishers.

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

FFBNW or actually Installed?!

Cannot see any sign of CIWS in published pics.

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

CIWS I mean not the miniguns

FrankLT
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FrankLT

The next Tide ship, Tiderace I think, is currently having weapons fitted, so I presume Tidespring just entering service is already fitted out.

R S Stevenson
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R S Stevenson

They have been fitted to take the phalanx CIWS on deployment

Harry Nelson
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Harry Nelson

Probably fitted for but not with, perhaps added for specific deployments?

Peter Crisp
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Peter Crisp

Have these got space on deck for a couple of containers as that could increase the storage space quite a bit. They could also kit out the containers with medical equipment and have them as drop-in hospitals for disaster zones.

Ian
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Ian

Yes they do – very useful extra

Nick Bowman
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Nick Bowman

This four-tanker deal is one of the bright spots of recent procurement history. According to Wikipedia (I know, I know) the armament is two phalanx CIWS and two 30mm cannons. I don’t know when these weapons are to be fitted.

David Steeper
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For me these are a good example of how we should use our equipment budget co-operatively. The S.Koreans get to build them. Which is their strength and we supply them with marine engines and other kit which are our strengths. Everyone benefits and no one gets screwed over.

Alan Stillwell
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Alan Stillwell

Why am I’m thinking…BAE.

Ron5
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Ron5

The company that built the new carriers? Dunno.

Stephen G.
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Stephen G.

These should have been built in Britain, they are decent size ships and they would have been invaluable for British shipbuilding. British shipbuilding gets screwed over by our own navy. If we take this approach on everything we will have zero industry left in Britain.

Paul.P
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Paul.P

See my other post. You are not alone in your perception. But the culture you describe is deeply entrenched. Then EU was crowbarring us out of it….which was why the establishment mounted the ( successful) campaign to leave. Still, as they say in the Navy, love your fears. Brexit here we come…Geronimo.

Mark L
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Mark L

Most of the establishment wanted Remain (Prime Minister, Chancellor, most political parties, most media, universities, Unions, etc, etc).

Paul.P
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Paul.P

Then why don’t they resign as a matter of conscience. Answer because they are more interested in their own career than the health of the country.

Chris
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Chris

Paul P – You missed the passing into oblivion of Cameron, Osborne and others? The Establishment itself is a many tentacled monster that pervades every aspect of society, broadcasting, commerce and Government. Go look at who was supporting the ‘Remain’ camp and then look at who are still fighting that campaign now. And it isn’t party oriented so don’t blame the Tories. The Establishment cannot accept defeat so now we are getting ‘Project Fear II’, continual peddling of negative stories and when there is a brilliant story its ‘Despite Brexit’. Just today we find that nett migration has fallen for… Read more »

Ron5
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Ron5

Thumbs up.

barry white
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barry white

As im aware of British shipyards didnt bid for them
Correct me if im wrong

Stephen G.
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Stephen G.

The only reason British shipyards didn’t bid for them is because they have waged a deliberate and organized war against British heavy industry for decades. They DELIBERATELY closed big shipyards down (and train making factories down) so they would have an excuse to give orders away. This was their plan all along. They should have made sure we had the capacity ahead of time (Like the Canadians, etc.), but like I say they WANTED this. I wonder what “strong encouragement” (from the n.s.s.) has been given to British shipbuilding to bid for the solid support ships, other than ZERO, because… Read more »

Paul.P
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Paul.P

Your view is extreme, but correct in my view. Short term profit taking takes precendence over longterm investment in relatinships, skills and dare I say it self respect. The contrast with France say could not be greater. By systematically investing in skills development and acquisition they now control Airbus, MBDA, Eurocopter, DCNS, Dassault, the UK water industry and Hinckley Point. Westland and Marconi are is Leonardo.
The UK has fabulous engineering skills but is continually let down by what is frankly a greedy and selfish establishment culture.

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

Maybe that is one positive about Corbyn, I read he’s keen on rebuilding heavy industry and taking back control of critical infrastructure, something, gulp, I actually agree with.

Paul.P
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Paul.P

Well, yes and no. Problem is as I read him, Corbyn is a recidivist socialist. He preaches the many not the few, but this is still a divisive view of society, Us versus Them. It is this conflict paradigm which is killing us. Well actually we are killing ourselves. The French government does not go to war with Dassault or DCNS. There is a relarionship of mutual trust which is not abused. Contrast that with the relationship berween the MOD and BAE.

Chris
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Chris

barry – The mentality in the Civil Service is straight line Price comparison. Its the easy and risk aversion option. They look at ‘Price 1’ compare it to ‘Price 2’ and take the lowest. What they should be doing and what every private sector business does is look at a Cost comparison. I have no doubt bored people with this before but the simple fact is that every penny spent in a UK owned shipyard / train factory / wherever will get recycled back into the larger economy one way or another. Nett ‘cost’ to the UK is therefore nill… Read more »

J
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J

Saw this today in Portsmouth, great looking ship. With so few escorts these should be fitted with sea ceptor for extra protection or at the very least store some manpads on them

Mr Bell
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Mr Bell

Good news
Frank is right. They are supposed to have 2x phalanx and a couple of ds30 guns.
not sure if actually fitted with weapons yet or another example of “fitted for but not with”
agree with the lack of escorts sea ceptor artisan radar and a small combat information centre is needed on these vessels. They are easily large enough (like our QE carriers) to fit seaceptor

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

Mr Bell.

While I agree with much that you say I always try to introduce a little realism into things.

There is no chance these will get Sea Ceptor or Artisan radars! We have a funding issue remember.

The original plans for the Fort class had VLS Seawolf included but never realised and that was in the Cold War. No chance now.

I’m content if they get CIWS to go with the usual light guns.

barry white
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barry white

Thats new to me
I joined the Fort Grange in the builders yard at Greenock and went through all the builders trails (where incidently we had to go back into dry dock to get all the cracks sorted)
Anyway i digress. I spent the next two years on her going to the Far East and what have you and i never heard any mention whatsoever about Seawolf
The only time i ever saw Seawolf was when we replenished them to our ships at sea

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

Sorry Barry the Fort II class of ships, Fort Victoria and Fort George. There were going to be 6 once.

Not the other Forts Grange and Austin.

All planned to have 32 Cell VLS.

barry white
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barry white

Ok Dan
No problem
Come to think of it i dont think looking back that seawolf was around then lol

JohnH
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JohnH

Story I’ve heard is that they get fitted with CIWS, and the RN crew to operate them, if going to a high risk region such as the Persian Gulf, but not for low risk environments. While this seems a sensible use of resources, and assists in promoting the useful non-military status, it leaves the ships exposed if trouble flares up quickly.

J
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J

They might be RFA but they are 2nd in size only to the carrier’s and a core asset that should have proper protection plenty of room, with the limited vessels we have “distributed lethality” should be priority. How with the budget we have is the navy so under armed? 2k ton opv with a single crap gun! If the Russians can mount cruise missiles on a 900 ton dinghy we can do better surely?

Steve
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Steve

it seems the navy shares its phalanx between the vessels and only fits when needed. I am curious how many units we have and in the event of another navy style war, would we have enough units to cover any task force.

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

20 something recalling an article I read in Desider.

They bought a load when the T42’s were found to be seriously under armed ( nothing changes ) and fitted them with 2 x Phalanx.

The newer batch 3 T22’s, carriers, Albions got Goalkeeper instead.

Darren
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Darren

Hail S Korea and loss to the UK taxpayer ans UK industry potential!