The MSP for Glasgow Shettleston, John Mason, has been tweeting about ‘no large surface ships’ being based in Scotland for over a day now while ignoring discussion on the matter, instead choosing to keep tweeting about it.

John Mason was asked multiple times why he would want a major surface ship to be based in Scotland, especially as Scotland is home to the UK’s submarine force, he however ignored all requests for clarification and continued to post.

The rationale, apparently, is that a major surface vessel should be based in Scotland to ‘stop the Russians’. This is despite the Scotland based submarine fleet being the primary anti-surface and anti-submarine platforms.

It didn’t stop there.

Again.

Again.

Again.

Again.

Again.

And again.

Also, it wouldn’t be a Twitter defence meltdown without a reference to the ‘carrier with no aircraft’ myth… despite both carriers having aircraft on-board right now.

After 24 hours, it’s still going no matter how many people ask for any sort of clarification. In my view, it appears that John is simply looking to be ‘correct’ rather than looking for a discussion on the topic.

Technically correct is still correct, after all.

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Lewis
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Lewis

The entire British military and defense industry could be based in Scotland and the SNP would still complain.

Monty
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Monty

If it was they would claim it was an illegal occupying force. 😉

Steven Greenall
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Steven Greenall

The Sooner the scots leave the uk the better

James M
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James M

The problem isn’t the Scots, the majority of them are absolutely spot on.

The problem is the nutters in the SNP.

AlexO
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AlexO

Absolutely correct James. Mason hates being part of the UK but demands we base UK warships in Scotland. Same as Blackford complaining in the H of C that Scotland was never mentioned in the Irish border document presented by Boris last week???.

Spyinthesky
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Spyinthesky

Strangely how many major surface ships will be based in Scotland if they get independence? They will be lucky to be able to keep one in service assuming they got one or two on break up and no cash to keep them armed beyond small arms and white flags. Other than that question there would be little else after that, no submarines which are of course to all intents and purposes large surface ships that can travel underwater too, which looks better to me especially considering their superior armament should that Russian ship come down the North Sea. Because one… Read more »

Steve
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Steve

Sturgeon and Blackford are damaging Scotland in so many ways, the sooner they’re removed from power the better. At the time, the SNP probably seemed to be for the “Scottish People” but instead, they’re as bad…no… worse…than the Labour Party.

Adrian
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Adrian

Not a chance Steven! how could the Scots leaving the UK be anything more then undoing centuries of work.

Andy P
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Andy P

This is the logic the SNP are banking on, they’re a one policy party and all roads lead to independence. The more ‘anti Scottish’ rhetoric the better as far as they’re concerned “See, they all hate us” we need to leave. Its easy for the SNP, keep banging the ‘FREEDUM drum’, they don’t seriously have to worry about much, it used to nothing other than independence but now they’re having to get involved with some of the messy stuff like education and health and its not as straightforward as they thought. At some point I reckon they’ll decline too and… Read more »

andy reeves
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andy reeves

close the clyde order book

Geo
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Geo

Correct new SNP tactic is to encourage England to want them out as they rail against everything and make a nuisance of themselves. SNP are trying to hate there way out of the union.

Spyinthesky
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Spyinthesky

Post Scexit you can bet they will demand reparations and even more bet that any and all of their ills we be our fault. Personally I would put tolls on all south lanes of the motorways out of Scotland so that they can contribute to the cost of allowing their exports to pass through England. Some very nice English, Welsh, American, Japanese and particularly Irish Whiskey/Whisky to fill the dark nights.

Andy P
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Andy P

Whats with all the “them” and “our” stuff ? Last time I checked we were all still in the same happy family.

Haters gonna hate I guess.

Chris J
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Chris J

Scotland keeps electing the SNP, until Scots stop doing this, their divisive and often offensive manner is going to continue to rub the other nations up the wrong way and I say this as a Welshman.

Andy P
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Andy P

The SNP are a minority government with about 41% of the vote. Usually roughly the same as the party that gets into power in Westminster. They don’t have an outright majority and are in coalition with the Greens so its safe to say that not all of Scotland are behind them. There’s plenty in Scotland that are sick of them banging their particular drum too.

I’m sure you’re in total accord with what Westminster and the Welsh Assembly say.

Chris J
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Chris J

You make a fair point Andy, unfortunately you guys are lumbered with the SNP while we’re lumbered with a corbynite mouthpiece who’s practically invisible. Having dealt with Welsh government AMs of all parties quite regularly for a number of years, I can say that with a very few exceptions i wouldnt trust any of them to run a parish council. I guess I do occasionally fall into the trap of thinking that the SNP speak for all Scotland which of course isn’t the case. Regrettably with the absolute mess that’s Westminster has gotten itself into over brexit, even if Johnson… Read more »

Andy P
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Andy P

Evenin’ Chris, whatever your political persuasion, you usually get lumbered with a party you don’t like half the time in Westminster, we do have the extra dynamic of a powerful third option in the SNP. I wish I could say it makes things interesting but not for this swingin’ cat unfortunately. 🙁 Believe it or not they used to be labelled the Tartan Tories and were quite a conservative (small C) party but they reinvented themselves as a left of centre party to appeal to the majority of Scots who have for a long time been Labour voters. The decline… Read more »

andy reeves
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andy reeves

work? Scotland? without the rest of the u.k there wouldn’t be a Scotland

Trevor
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Trevor

That’s why he spouts the batshit garbage he does. He knows that the Scots dont want to leave the UK. They understand the costs of independence. So he wants to fuel hatred of Scotland in England. The SNP are indeed nasty pieces of bigoted work… but the generality of Scots are realistic, not least all those who work in defence industries.

Andy P
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Andy P

Trevor, there are plenty in Scotland who would like independence, if you recall the Indy ref was 55/45 not 90/10. Its claimed its up to about 50/50 (I’d suggest the increase is partly a reaction against an unelected BoJo Tory government and also the SNP constantly pushing that Scotland voted to Remain but that’s speculation on my part) which some of the more ‘demanding’ membership of the SNP are pushing as a reason for another referendum. There does seem to be a bit of double standards with some of the ‘Anti Jock’ rhetoric, Britain leaving the EU = GOOD, even… Read more »

andy reeves
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andy reeves

SNP; don’t like that election result? democracy? only if it suits them otherwise they just want to vote again.irrelevant bigoted bunch of illiterate losers as bad as the Irish politicians who wouldn’t agree on the day of the week.

Airborne
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Airborne

Andy not sure we will actually ever leave the EU mate as Bercow has struck again. What the hell has happened to losers consent, we just cannot have a democracy if one side doesnt admit defeat. The SNP are pretty much the same, the leave result has given them a bit more wind in the sails, and taken the scrutiny from their pretty dismal domestic achievements.

Andy P
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Andy P

Airborne, I was watching some of it this afty, it was just lots of people trying to justify why THEY should get their way because for totally noble reasons, they’re right and everyone else is wrong. Its almost like the freakishly rare referendum (unless you live in Scotland) that gave a yes/no response never happened.

We should maybe just go back to a feudal system with our ‘betters’ making all these decisions, us peasants obviously can’t be trusted and it would save a fortune on paying all these MP’s.

Airborne
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Airborne

It’s been like that for a while mate I reckon, it’s just that it’s out in the open now, MPs holier then thou, I know best, arrogance! As long as us peasants pay our tax, tip our hats, and vote the way we are told, all will be well! Anyway I better get back to tilling the fields while the wife makes my evening meal of pottage!

Andy P
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Andy P

I hear ya bro. I’ve felt disengaged for a while from politics, as things have ramped up recently I’ve got more interested and I didn’t spoil my ballot in the last General Election which was the first for a while. I’ve got the popcorn at the ready for the next week or two and depending on how it pans out, I’ll be voting in the next election. Back to the ‘cock and balls’ after that though, not much point really, i’d love to see a ‘NONE OF THE ABOVE’ box to tick on our elections though.

Airborne
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Airborne

Me to mate, none of the above! And the next election, it’s not a case of voting for who you support, it will be a case of voting for the least damaging party, the best of a very bad and incompetent, arrogant bunch! I’ve done 29 years in uniform and can honestly say I would not raise a finger, to assist or protect a very large number of our politicians. I’ve been in the sand pit for quite a number of years since I left the job, to include East and North Africa, Middle East, and I can confidently say… Read more »

Andy P
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Andy P

Ooft, 29, you’re a glutton for punishment, I saw 22 as the finishing line.

You’re right that its not just here in the UK that politics has become a dirty word (like crevice), when you speak to people from different countries there seems to be a similar story of folk being threaders with politics, I’m talking about other European countries not just ‘tin pot’ dodgy ones, we all just seem fed up with career politicians and being taken for granted by them.

It really is sad.

Airborne
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Airborne

Wasn’t that bad, 2 years boy service, full 22 and 5 years LE commission to grab that extra pension lol! But your right politics has gone downhill fast and pretty much everyone seems threaders with it, and politicians. The groundswell is building in Europe as well, you are spot on with that! Dangerous times ahead methinks, politicians ignore the people at their peril. Western democracies are only 48 hours of a powercut away from anarchy mate.

John Clark
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John Clark

I take your point Andy… I think the main difference is that an independent Scotland would be worse off as it’s social spending per head is already higher than the rest of the UK. Citizens of an independent Scotland would have have to readjust to a harsh new financial reality that would see spending cut across the board and taxes go up to balance the books. That wouldn’t be a readjustment period, it would be the new economic reality, it’s the simple fact of a small population and the relative GDP it can generate to support itself in the world… Read more »

Andy P
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Andy P

I share your view John, its the main reason I’ve been against independence, I have no ideological dislike of independence, I don’t really care on that front but I do have more practical concerns like the finances. Saying that…. other small countries manage, yes there might be financial consequences but others will see that as a fair trade off, each to their own. For an independent Scotland to then look to (re)join the EU doesn’t seem very ‘independent’, it would just hand that independence over to another larger body. I suppose you could argue that you’re saving the expense of… Read more »

Spyinthesky
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Spyinthesky

Very much agree.

Geo
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Geo

This in a nutshell. Tactic is now to turn England off the union.

andy reeves
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andy reeves

indubitably

maurice10
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maurice10

I love all the nations that make up the United Kingdom, and have spent many holidays in all of them. However, in the case of Scotland, I have long-held regard for it and fear the SNP could bring ruin on that great country. England with all its wealth is balancing its economy on a knife-edge so, the whole of the UK must stay together to survive in the longterm. There is one saving grace, the wisdom of the whole Scottish electorate, who will always think long and hard about independence?

andy reeves
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andy reeves

thankyou mr. trump

Alan Mcshane
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Alan Mcshane

Behave and dont fall for his tactics

andy reeves
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andy reeves

not if the government cancelled all the clyde orders, scotland would sing a different song then wouldn’t they?

Geo
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Geo

Correct….grievance monkeys 1 and All

Steve
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Steve

I’m sure they do Lewis….even though a large majority of our naval assets are built in Scotland, using British taxpayers money to put money into the Scottish workers pockets and to boost the economy in the areas.

Callum
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Callum

“Most of the MoD jobs and spending are in South East England”. How bizarre, it’s almost like the largest proportion of the UK’s population live there…

Lee1
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Lee1

To be fair, it is a chicken and egg thing in that respect. More spending mean more jobs, means more population… Or does more people mean more available workers and therefore more jobs and more spending? I would probably argue the former. There is an imbalance in spending towards London and the south east even if you break it down on a per person basis. There have also historically been imbalanced decisions which leave the rest of the country at a disadvantage over the south east. If there was more spending elsewhere then more jobs would be created and more… Read more »

Pacman27
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Pacman27

Aren’t Portsmouth and Plymouth in the South West and aren’t they also some of the poorest areas of the UK. The SNP are just racists, with an anything but English mentality. Scotland is an impressive part of our country as is Wales, England and NI and I see nowhere else in the world where people have so much freedom to express themselves. The North of England and Wales have been treated far worse than the Scots by our political class, and something does need to be done to rebalance our economy, but this particular MSP is just an idiot who… Read more »

Steve Salt
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Steve Salt

Portsmouths in Hampshire, youre really stretching the geography to put in the South West.

GFOR
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GFOR

Portsmouth is most certainly not in the south west.
I think you at looking for xenophobic rather than racist, a very important distinction.
As for poor treatment, I agree, vast swathes of the UK are criminally neglected by HMG for the benefit of the south east and Home Counties.

Herodotus
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Many of the coastal towns in the south-east are amongst the most deprived towns in Britain!

BIG D
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BIG D

You should see the state of our finances here in the north west, sea side resort thanks to our government, we need a North West Assembly to manage our own finances.

Andy P
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Andy P

and that’s after the totally dubious decision to move the submarine refits from Rosyth to Plymouth. The V boats struggle to get out of Plymouth and its trickier for fleet boats going in and out too.

Sean
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Sean

More politicians is never the answer to any problem…
Depending on where you live in the U.K. you already have two tiers of politicians in councillors, adding a third just wastes more money, as demonstrated with the Scottish Parish Council.

Dejango
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Dejango

Really? If you weigh up the fact that 60% of the UK Tax take comes from London and SE England an area with <25% of the UK Population, I would say that the SE is hard done by… The idea of Govt is to spread the Tax benefits from those who can afford to pay more to those who cannot. The next Scottish Independence Referendum has to be fought on the basis that Scotland will lose the Barnett Formula and that their Budget deficit may not allow them entry into the EU. It isn't just Spain who could veto their… Read more »

Johnny
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Johnny

Is there an SNP MSP that is actually in touch with reality, I think anybody sensible had been hounded out of the party.

Callum
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Callum

Fair points. I was actually thinking of it in terms of most of the population is there, thus most of the service personnel must already live there and have friends and family locally. Being uprooted and moved around the country is one of the issues the forces are having with retention.

Maybe instead of just greedily looking at the economics, John Mason needs to consider that a lot of servicemen and women don’t like the idea of being relocated hundred of miles away from their homes to the remote Scottish Highlands.

Cam
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Cam

We don’t have enough destroyers and frigates to base them in Scotland in meaningful numbers. But I think we should keep HMNB Caledonia at rosyth instead of closing it and make use of it from all RN vessels when in the area. Maybe basing a new OPV there for patrolling scottish waters. We all know we need more frigates and destroyers let’s hope in years to come the type 31 is a success and we order a second batch. The SNP are idiots and half the time don’t know jack about defence.

Callum
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Callum

For a relatively high and unnecessary cost, keeping another base open and basing an OPV in Scotland wouldn’t change anything. If this muppet doesn’t count attack submarines and the bombers as major vessels, they certainly won’t accept an OPV

Andy P
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Andy P

Callum, its one guy, maybe had a bad day (maybe not, its irrelevant), he’s not even speaking for the whole SNP, he’s having a pointless twitter spat.

I’m answering to your post but it could be one of a number of boys working themselves up over this. People say all sorts of crap on social media, it doesn’t mean its all going to come to pass. I’m guessing if you hadn’t read this article you’d be none the wiser what some random dude said on twitter.

dan
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dan

Dude must be smoking some of the good stuff. lol

Julian
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Julian

He’s so determined to answer every sensible challenge by repeating his pointless and irrelevant statement that there are no major surface ships based in Scotland. The ironic thing is that he’s actually wrong On that. Some of the RN’s biggest surface ships are based in Scotland, 7,000 tons each. Only 3 at the moment but eventually rising to 7. Well, Astute is a surface ship (boat) when it’s not submerged isn’t it?

If he can be a total idiot and make stupid irrelevant observations then I can counter with similar stupidity can’t I?

Helions
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Helions

We have the same tone deaf types here only more of them I’m afraid… They get very tiresome very quickly don’t they?

Cheers!

Mr Bell
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Mr Bell

What about the 20,000 ton vanguard class SSBNs? There are 4 of them based in Scotland

Julian
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Julian

Good spot. How did I forget those in my deliberately silly counter argument?

In my defence I suppose the SSBNs are seen on the surface rather less than SSNs so I had Astutes in my mind more but when the SSBNs are tied up at Faslane they are on the service so yes, let’s count them as part-time surface vessels too. 🙂

Lee1
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Lee1

This is a common policy of populist parties. You see Labour, Conservatives and the Brexit Party doing the same thing. Every interview for instance that I hear with Conservative MPs, no matter what the actual topic, leads them to say at some point “Get Brexit Done”… The idea was popularised by the Nazis when they were trying to gain power. The main premise was to campaign on an handful of short repeatable slogans that tapped into feelings rather than facts. They specifically refused to fight their campaign on facts as facts could be challenged (especially as their facts were likely… Read more »

Andy P
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Andy P

Yes Lee, politics has become incredibly toxic and divisive, and more depressingly, totally unconnected to the people they claim to represent. They’re looking to drive us rather than be guided by us. I accept that there has to be an element of them steering us although that will never be stated outright. Its becoming about ‘winning’ at all costs not about running the country which should be pretty mundane really, its all very egotistical and power hungry. I can’t wait for Brexit to be done and dusted so I can go back to spoiling my ballot.

Aethelstan the curious
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Aethelstan the curious

Well said. That trait poisons our political debate. It is the tactic of bigots.

the_marquis
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the_marquis

If you based a T45 in Scotland he’d probably complain it’s not a big enough surface ship…

andy reeves
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andy reeves

haven’t one to spare thanks to his kind who never complain when their yards order books are full. i’ve never heard of this clown before, so he can’t be important enough to warrant space on this site ukdj shouldn’t put this stuff on here we’re not interested in the rambling of an idiot

Andy P
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Andy P

“we’re not interested in the rambling of an idiot”

At the risk of being picky Andy, you’re not doing a very good job of not being interested, you’re like a tramp on chips all over this article.

You seem a little ‘triggered’ by it all.

Andy P
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Andy P

Yuussss ! Dafty spraffs pish on twitter and outrage ensues. Grrrrrr

For some reason I have the image of Blakey’s all over the country working themselves up over this.

andy reeves
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andy reeves

TROLL. GET LOST.

Andy P
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Andy P

Haven’t you got a bus depot to sort out mate.

Herodotus
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I hate you Butler!

Andy P
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Andy P

Herodotus, this place needs emoji’s, nice one.

Christopher Smith
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Christopher Smith

Perhaps Mr Mason is happy with this “discussion” as a welcome distraction from having to talk about the SNP record on health, education or tackling the drugs epidemic. Just wondering.

Mr Bell
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Mr Bell

Strangely the SNP never mention the Barnett formulary , the budget deficit the rest of the UK help them out with, or any of the other benefits of being part of the family of nations that is the UK.
Deficit last year = tax receipts minus expenditure £14.5 billion.

Chris J
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Chris J

The SNP have somehow convinced their mind-numbingly dumb supporters that the Barnett formula is irrelevant and/or another mechanism for Westminster to keep Scotland down…

Their inability to understand simple mathematics knows no bounds.

andy reeves
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andy reeves

i see there no mention of the Entire NAVY ORDER BOOK BEING ON THE CLYDE.

andy reeves
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andy reeves

i’d love to see Scottish independence, especially 12 months later, when they come cap in hand for a west minster bale out, and a request to return R.N shipbuilding to the Clyde which would be lost when their contracts are terminated

Andy P
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Andy P

Surely Andy, Brussels would be the destination when “they” go anywhere “cap in hand”.

Levi Goldsteinberg
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Levi Goldsteinberg

Why would the EU want another dependent state to support when they already have so much to look after and the Eurozone is back on the brink of disaster as is?

Andy P
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Andy P

Was responding to Andy R’s extremely hypothetical scenario, it wasn’t exactly serious but I would imagine the EU would be happy to welcome Scotland into the fold, either for shits and giggles and a F YOU to the rest of the non EU UK or just because they like collecting “dependent States”.

Like I say, not to be taken seriously, its not like anything we say on here has any relevance anyway, we’re just a bunch of dafties shootin’ the shit.

Airborne
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Airborne

“They like collecting dependant states” priceless, and soooooo right!

Andy P
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Andy P

That’s assuming Scotland would be dependent, it will very much depend on who’s set of books you want to use. 😉

It is one of the problems with the EU that they have allowed countries to join who weren’t ‘mature’ enough into the fold. Its bit them on the arse with bail outs of Greece etc. and they’re having to put money into countries that still have a horse and cart economy as soon as you set foot outside the cities. That’s a whole different debate though I guess.

Sean
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Sean

Moldova, Serbia and Ukraine are next on the list, though I think Putin will have something to say about the last one…

Mr Bell
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Mr Bell

Andy by the poisoned witch of the north’s own declaration Scotland will leave the UK and become an independent nation in the EU. Therefore it will be the ECB they go cap in hand too. £14.5 billion a year is no small change. Ask Greece how an ECB bail out goes. Structural change will be asked for, meaning cutbacks and a bigger hash of things then the SNP are currently doing for Scotlands domestic policies and public services.

Andy P
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Andy P

All speculation of course but assuming ‘Wee Jimmy’ gets her way and there’s an independent Scotland. It will be ‘all hail Wee Jimmy’ and the SNP will have achieved what they want. I doubt for one second on the back of it that they’d disband and fade away, they would have to deal with the reality of running an economy. While it might go horribly wrong and they have to go running off to either the EU or Westminster, its more likely they would do what most other countries do and borrow. Despite what some on here seem to think,… Read more »

Geoffrey Roach
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Geoffrey Roach

…and if and when they gain independence there will be no surface ships, or submarines, or shipbuilding, or the RAF or….and on it goes. Oh happy days.

Paul Corcoran
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Paul Corcoran

A typical politician. As has been pointed out he is technically correct but clearly ignoring the obvious.

andy reeves
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andy reeves

he needs to remember that politicians who are responsible for us not having ships to do it b*****ds

Sean
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Sean

Facts are an alien concept to the Scottish Nazi Party

Mr Bell
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Mr Bell

How do you start to reply to such ignorance and uneducated baffon behaviour of this SNP MP. What an idiot. As if Scotland voting for independence would have any major warships anyway, they might but they couldn’t afford to run them with the £14.5 billion a year budget deficit Scotland runs up every year that the rest of the UK bails them out and pays for.
Getting tired of the lying whingeing SNP. If the people of Scotland choose to believe these fools then they will be responsible for the outcome.

maurice10
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maurice10

There won’t be any after IP2 either?

andy reeves
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andy reeves

the last vote cost over 500 million the SNP should be told that, if they want another one, they will foot the bill.

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

There are no Tanks, Self Propelled Guns, or Support helicopters in Scotland either. There is no need.

Like there is no need for one of the escorts.

Pure ignorance.

andy reeves
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andy reeves

if Scotland got independence, they’d have to buy their own.

HF
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HF

He’d probably like a ‘battleship’ stationed on the Clyde.

Airborne
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Airborne

Typical SNP clown, promoted way past his capabilities!

PeterDK
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PeterDK

Apparently he moves from “no major ships” to “no major surface ships” as the arguments mount, perhaps thinking that nobody notices…

Mark
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Mark

My heritage, based on my surname is Scottish, however both my parents were born and raised in Yorkshire, which has a larger population than the whole of Scotland. I therefore demand that in future, large naval ships are based on the Humber on the north-side in Hull. They should definalty not use Grimsby, as that is in Lincolnshire and they already have the RAF, well they used to.
I am sure that eventually the voting public of Scotland will grow tired of the SNP, and they will be relegated back to a fringe party.

andy reeves
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andy reeves

already happening

Tony Merrill
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Tony Merrill

The guy is obviously not thinking straight. Not only is the submarine force based in Scotland, but Scotland is benefiting from the Royal Navy’s entire ship order book. The SNP should be the last to complain.

andy reeves
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andy reeves

the SNP are irreverent, ignore them, their standing in Scotland is crumbling, they have no clout, they have anrgy midget as party leader, just ignore them, the Scots do.

Steve Salt
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Steve Salt

The man`s a loon.

andy reeves
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andy reeves

glasgow member of parliament? i saw a pig fly over holyrood the other day, must have been him heading o work

andy reeves
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andy reeves

I’ve e mailed him, he’ll know clearly enough when he reads it,just how big of a prat, he is. ask you r local m.p to get in his head and remind him about cancelling orders for the clyde

Helions
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Helions

Speaking of major surface ships… Sorry this is OT but nowhere else current to post it. Looks as though the USMC is practicing to deploy on the QE. That’s about the number that will be going with her isn’t it?

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/30429/behold-uss-america-sailing-with-a-whopping-13-f-35bs-embarked-aboard

Cheers!

Steve Salt
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Steve Salt

Hi Helions
Yes, I saw this on a US defence website on Friday and thought the same thing.

Steve Salt
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Steve Salt

The report though does say that the America is deploying in the eastern Pacific, so perhaps not.

Helions
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Helions

I was thinking this was a practice run on the “Lightning Carrier” concept and a dress rehearsal for a full squadron deployment (which is much larger than the usual on the amphibs) on the QE.

Cheers!

chaz baz
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chaz baz

If the scots get independence will they then have major surface warships of their own?? Ireland does not have major warships of any nature do they? Just patrol ships. Would Scotland do any different if they ever leave??

Nicholas Hall
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Nicholas Hall

The guy has a point, Her Majesties Fleet should be spread all over the UK in order to truly benefit the whole country.
I’m going to start a crowd funded legal challenge to force the Government to base HMS Bulwark in my home city of ……………. Manchester.

BIG D
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BIG D

What a Muppet 😵

Barry Larking
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Barry Larking

“In my view, it appears that John is simply looking to be ‘correct’ rather than looking for a discussion on the topic.”

Or, … a bottle opener?

Christopher Allen
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Christopher Allen

Seriously, wasn’t shipbuilding kept in Glasgow at the expense of Portsmouth? Seriously, perhaps it should be returned to Portsmouth, it would make sense considering Scots may be vote for independence.

Also, if Scotland gets independence, Scotland copies Ireland and has a small airforce of propeller aircraft, I bet this idiot will expect the RAF to counter Russian bombers.

Mr Bell
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Mr Bell

Christopher I am of the same mind as you and as an English taxpayer the very same day that Scotland votes for independence I will deludge my MP, the MOD and HMG, as will all my friends and colleagues, with letters and emails requesting to immediately withdraw ALL of our armed forces from the country, all shipbuilding to end immediately and move to England, Wales and Northern Ireland and an immediate ceasing of Barnett formulate payments. Then Scotland can take a fair proportion of the national debt on. A debt that they have in no small way helped the rest… Read more »

Alan Reid
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Alan Reid

Mister Bell, Who in Scotland are you directing your apocalyptic comments to? From experience, the vast majority of Scottish posters on this forum, myself included, oppose separation from the UK. Such comments are largely wasted ….. But if you wish to paint your “deliberately grim picture”, then write to the daily “National” newspaper, effectively the house magazine of the SNP. Although please try not to act as an unpaid recruiting Sergeant for the separatists! Remember too, that in a divorce from a 300 years Union, the parties will share not only the liabilities (debt) – but also the assets. Incidentally,… Read more »

Mr Bell
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Mr Bell

Alan I am merrily trying to point out potential repercussions of an independence vote. The SNP will not have even consider these in their headlong theological drive for an unnecessary independence. Scotland is already a virtual self-governing region, in terms of domestic policy.
Let’s all hope and pray Sturgeon never gets her way and common sense prevails.

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

Hi Mr Bell

Don’t worry, Referendums are advisory apparently! If Brexit can be ignored so can Indyref2!!

Alan Reid
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Alan Reid

Hi Mister Bell, Rest assured, I know you mean well ….. certainly until the shock of Brexit, the tide of separationist sentiment was receding in Scotland. Ironically, there are some similarities between Brexiters and Scottish nationalists. Indeed, your comments could equally apply to the UK leaving the EU, ending with ….. “Let’s all hope and pray Farage never gets his way and common sense prevails”! LOL – apologies, I’m gently pulling your leg. If there is another referendum in Scotland, I believe it will be won by “remainers” stressing the positive benefits that UK membership brings to Scotland, and the… Read more »

Andy P
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Andy P

Yes Alan, as we’re seeing in the Brexit ‘disengagement’ things will get divvied up and its all up for negotiation. For example, seeing how this site is all about the ‘warry stuff’, Scotland most likely wouldn’t need their share of the aircraft, ships, submarines, tanks and other heavy systems. They might be happy to swap this stuff for something more useful, possibly reduce the share of the debt that Mr Bell mentioned.

Much as Mr Bell’s dystopian fantasy is amusing, I’m not sure it would be the blueprint in any future (and hypothetical) split up of the UK.

Alan Reid
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Alan Reid

Hi Andy, I absolutely agree – despite the stark “black and white” warnings from some on this forum, I suspect these hypothetical negotiations to sort-out the future relationship between the UK and an independent Scotland could be as complex as Brexit – with the added complication of nuclear weapons!
Let’s not forget a secure, fixed storage facility for nuclear warheads buried under a Scottish hillside, not far from Glasgow. Trade-offs would be made …….. despite the diehards on both sides.
But anyway, for me – it’s not a day I wish to see.

Gunbuster
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Gunbuster

We had T42 destroyers based in Rosyth and they pulled out years ago and moved south.
Its taken him this long to realise that?

MattW
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MattW

Haha, I’ve replied to that idiot on Twitter.

Steve
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Steve

This MSP is an absolute cretin……aside from the two flat tops, how more “major” can you get than a fleet of nuclear submarines? Both nuclear powered attack and Trident armed submarines I might add. These assets and their crews and families definitely benefit the local economy.

andy reeves
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andy reeves

then i’d say to this prick, you are in Westminster so, help do smoothing about it