A leaked consultation document appears to suggest that the Royal Navy will now order a third Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier in response to a resurgent Russia.

If you’re reading this please check the date above a this was an April Fools Day article and as such, is nonsense.

Sources in the MoD stress that the new ship, HMS Princess Diana, will incorporate lessons learned in the design and build stages of the first two vessels of the class. Queen Elizabeth was launched in 2014; Prince of Wales is due to join the fleet towards the end of the decade.

In light of this development, we’ve spoken experts involved with the planning consultation. Bryan Robertson, analyst at defence think tank DMCS (Daily Mail Comment Section), had this to say:

“Waste of funds & Human Life! One correctly placed Smart-Bomb will see Today’s heap of steel turn into Tomorrows heap of Scrap! H.M.S. Hood took the Ultimate Killing Shell way back in WW2 DESPITE AIRCRAFT; No Smart-Bombs then, and the Germans sent the Flagship of the Royal Navy to the bottom, no problem! What Government ‘FOOL’ proposed this latest Folly? Who is paying him? WE ARE. Such vast vessels have no place in modern times. Time for the OLD Timers to Grow UP!! Have they not heard of the Internet?”

The first two vessels will be completed in a Short Take-Off and Vertical Landing configuration, deploying the Lockheed Martin F-35B, while the third will feature six catapults and deploy “modern Harriers or something, or naval Typhoon”.  The third vessel will be 480 metres long and have an air group of up to infinity-hundred aircraft. The projected cost of the programme including the third ship is now £187.6 billion.

Excerpts from the leaked consultation document are extremely detailed in just what needs to be changed for the third vessel to be a “proper carrier”. Local park based defence analyst, Michael Greene, has recommended the following:

“The MORONS at the government should order aircraft or we’ll end up with an AIRCRAFTLESS carrier.”

In response to this, the Ministry of Defence are now considering purchasing the F-35B Lightning and other aircraft types. Other changes recommended by the experts consulted include stationing Trident missiles on the vessel, purchasing a fleet F-4 Phantoms, painting go faster stripes on the hull and additional crayon provision.

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Like the sound of this! What about the escort vessels required?

Type 45 and type 23 do the job.

Marc

Both junk.

Anti air and anti sub.

Enough for 3 carriers??

i heard it was for one in service, one in reserve and one on loan to the Chinese to pay operational costs on the others…..

andyreeves

fool

We need aircraft first!

P tattersall

,we’ve got aircraft you can’t put the f35 on until the ships full service ready .. Carriers and planes don’t just arrive together its the set up that’s the time .. This ship and planes aren’t old Russian scrap

Good thing we have them then Matthew.

F-35b’s?

Nope, please read the article.

It’s an April fool (f-4 phantom with go faster stripes)

I must read these articles first!

Well, Aprils fools aside, navalised Typhoon is a terrible idea.

I do like the name hms princess Diana tho!

IAN DOUGHTY

Yeh! That’ll scare the Russians. What sort of a crazy country are we living in. Its got to be said.

Why not have an air group of Fairy Swordfish? They were good enough at Taranto…

andyreeves

can they carry harpoon!!?

Anthony parker

Lol

Daniele Mandelli

Deary me….

HMS Ark Royal?

HMS Randy Andy. I wonder if the date is significant?

Lee Roberts

plz tell me this is an april fools joke. need the 2 we got with full set of f35bs plus more escorts before thinking of a 3rd

andyreeves

april fool, you fool.

April 1st?

Of course it is !

why? we can not afford to man the two we have already?..

Because.

Daniele Mandelli

Both will be manned.

andyreeves

not a n issue now the oceans crew are getting re drafted.

dave

I heard from a very reputable source within the RAF yesterday that the MOD are looking at getting MD to build Harriers for them soon. It must be to equip the carriers.

andyreeves

fantasy, google amarg facility inventory, all our harriers are there and they’re in bits. the harrier will never fly from a royal navy ship.

April fools, heard the same story last year

If it ain’t broke

Touche! Got halfway before twigging.

ed bunting

This would be brilliant bit I dont think it will happen as they would have to order more type 45s

I understand that the Royal Navy will also be ordering a fleet of sea going Land Rovers as support vessels

Daniele Mandelli

Yes they are called DUKW. Normandy knows them well.

andyreeves

they could always paint the gosport ferry grey and pretend its a t31

Ask the Indian Navy to lend us one…

Aril Fool!

April fool?

Richard Cooper

Better to build some more Type 45’s to protect the ones we have already got.

Damn you UK Defence Journal, got all excited until i rewd the last paragraph and looked at the date…

Suraj Singh

Bernard Fox

Why are we buying a load of troublesome aircraft from the USA when by now we could have designed and built our own? We have the brains in Britain maybe not now the production capacity? the other alternative is to build a through deck on these carriers and put fixed wing fighters and arrester gear on these new ships if they are supposedly bigger than the 1960’s Ark Royal carrier, which carried F4 Phantom Jets and Sea Vixen Jets? We would then be able to either convert existing British military aircraft or Buy off the shelf?

Oliver Wiggins

Because the Americans will have undoubtedly covered the majority of R&D costs and by buying a platform that they’re buying into on a much higher level, we can attain lower unit cost.

andyreeves

‘hank the yank’ should be told to pu his act together and get our aircraft built. i’ve read somewhere that we’ve taken delivery of the 15th f 35. they’re at ffort worth. why aren’t they here? its like buying a car and being told to wait 12 months before you can drive it!

Did you have fun writing this?

April1st

Amen, the crayons are so badly needed!

Bruce Sellers

I thought the crayons comment in the article was inspired.

Connor Dillon

Good job Geo

England needs a neutral, non-commercialised soccer pitch, that can be used anywhere, anytime … Marcus Westcott, Feliciano Calvo Goni, hey!

What?

if it wasn,t a joke it would have been in reality as we don,t have enough destroyers frigates to help protect them….i don,t know how they would protect 2 of them with what we have now…..once the worlds best navy cut down to nothing….talk about being a laughing stock of the world……

Callum

You are aware we don’t NEED to protect two of them, right? They’ll be rotating in and out of service in the same way as the Albion’s do, thus only the active carrier needs escorts. A third would just follow the same pattern, one deployed, one preparing to deploy, one in refit (of course, a third carrier would mean the navy’s budget just jumped by about £10-15bn, but details). The world’s largest navy back when we controlled a quarter of the planet. We lack those resources now, and no matter how much people like you gripe about it, that’s not… Read more »

Daniele Mandelli

Good answer. So much ignorance out there.

andyreeves

so much waste in the organisation. did you know the top 5 civil servants at the M.O.D took home£800,000 between them last year.

April 1st :)!

Well written piece overall, but less strident comments would have made it more convincing and therefore more fun.

The comments are real sadly.

Paul

what the royal navy needs is 20 type 45 and 20 type 26 ,30 River-class patrol vessel the more ships the royal navy gets built in bulk the cheaper it is to order

Andy a

Maybe the t45 and t26 but even the navy didn’t want the river class. The view has always been unlike the USA we can’t afford a high low mix. If we can only afford thirty frontline ships then they all need to be front line war fighters with full capability

andyreeves

depressed enough already before this toilet paper article came out.

[…] Royal Navy to order third aircraft carrierLeaked information from this years SDSR planning phase suggests that the Royal Navy will now order a third Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier. […]

JIMJFOX

Had the French not pulled out there WOULD have been a third carrier [PA2] to operate in conjunction with the British, which would have kept two at sea instead of one. Bad decision, with the Charles de Gaulle nuclear carrier being the sole French carrier and of somewhat dubious reliability, 20,000tons less displacement than the CVF’s.

Callum

The French wanted a nuclear CATOBAR carrier, which obviously is not what the QEC ended up as. Adapting the design to their needs and then building it would’ve of been prohibitively expensive.

andy reeves

more t45’s won’t happen buying one of the j.f.k or constellation(both in reserve at bremerton,would be a massive saving, catobar fitted (cheaper proven aircraft) super hornet.preferably, buy back the harrier for the q.e and p.o.w make the time build of the t26 an open fastest build, gets the next contract.refit a bay class as a dedicated hospital ship, get a ‘mates rate’ on a few of the decommissioning ticondaroga cruisers in service, so technologically up to date aegis system and tomahawk capable although they have aging hulls. hey presto bigger fleet, lots cheaper quickly available refit instead of build from… Read more »

andy reeves

more t45’s won’t happen buying one of the j.f.k or constellation(both in reserve at bremerton,would be a massive saving, catobar fitted (cheaper proven aircraft) super hornet.preferably, buy back the harrier for the q.e and p.o.w make the time build of the t26 an open fastest build, gets the next contract.refit a bay class as a dedicated hospital ship, get a ‘mates rate’ on a few of the decommissioning ticondaroga cruisers in service, so technologically up to date aegis system and tomahawk capable although they have aging hulls. hey presto bigger fleet, lots cheaper quickly available refit instead of build from… Read more »

Building these carriers in the UK serves more purpose than just equipping the Royal Navy. It brings back to the UK the ability to build very large modern warships. The actuall build of the Q clas has been a huge learning curve for UK shipyards and has required a new approach not least being the creation of literallt thousands on new jobs through advanced apprenticeships. THe building of the ASTUTE Class Fleet submarines require a similar new approach. THe main reason why that program slipped was that the necessary skills were allowed to withrer on the vine. BAE took over… Read more »

andyreeves

we hope.

andy reeves

sensible doesn’t apply to the MOD

Tim Holyoake

HMS princess Diana, no, can’t see any problem at all ???

andyreeves

h.m.s gibraltar, just to upset the spanish! and a type 31 h.m.s falklankds for the argies

Graham Corke

Post Brexit Britain will need to be a maritime power as Britain always was in the past – no empire doesn’t mean no trade or no threat. Britain is an island, and will be great again, inspite of the naysayer out there

andyreeves

its the chancellor to open the purse strings wider and halve the313.1 BILLION FOREIGN AID.

I’d like a bet albeit a very small one that the eventual aircraft compliment on THREE ‘QE’ Class carriers [a third carrier is being seriously considered and from the lessons learnt by building the QE and the Princeof Wales will allow it to be brought in cheaper, quicker and better less than half the time and two thirds of the cost] will include the F35 Lightning 2 AND the J39 SAAB [NT] Sea Gripen [lookit up on google!] The Sea Gripen developement team has already been embedded in the UK’s Ministry of Defence. As BAE [British Aerospace and Egineering] was… Read more »

Paul.P

Gripen might also be a good choice for Hawk replacement.

andyreeves

ESPECIALLY AT 3 TIMES THE COST, MORE WASTE WE DO NOT NEED A THIRD CARRIER FOR THE r.n IS THE MOST STUPID IDEA OF THE YEAR. IF YOU GOOGLE F 22 JUMP JET VIDEO, YOU’LL SEE THERE WAS AN VTOL ALTERNATIVE TO THE F 35B. IF EITHER Q.E OR P.O.W ARE DOCKED WHILE THE OTHER IS OPERATIONAL, WHY BUILD TWO IN THE FIRST PLACE

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Matt

Apparently there’s a possibility of getting the Chinese to build this at low cost and done twice as fast.

Julian

Folks, this story is FAKE! I’ve heard the real story. Apparently the Brazilian Navy has a helicopter carrier that we are going to buy second hand and convert to F-35B operations. Apparently the MoD got a job lot of oven gloves from a closing down sale that will be stuck to the deck to give the required heat proofing and also to provide some nice floral patterns to brighten things up a bit.

andyreeves

LOL

Gunbuster

HMS Princess Diana…nope

Its of course going to be HMS MASSIVE and its going to be the first of the new Ginaggerous class of RN carriers.

Callum

Nah, would definitely be HMS Incomparable, the RN likes to reuse names after all 😉

andyreeves

h.m.s stupid joke.

Paul.P

April fool, Easter Sunday and RAF 100 year celebration on the same day. It’s all too much….

Robert

April’s Fool

Jonathan

18inch guns that’s what’s needed.

Andy Crisp

Shame it’s april fools – we should buy a 3rd while work force / infrastructure still in place.

andyreeves

get them to build the 26’s faster.

John Hartley

Well it needs fusion reactors, a force field, warp drive, photon torpedos & phasers. Perhaps due next April 1st?

Jonathan

The question is what would be better on balance for HMG, the star ship enterprise or a superstar destroyer, the latter is far better for controlling entire planetary systems but I’m not sure the RN could mange the manning requirements.

Daniele Mandelli

Several miles long that bad boy.

andyreeves

fire azers!

Frank62

HMG have been playing April Fool with all of us for years by claiming we meet the 2% GDP military spending threashold when we haven’t.

I’d rather we had an adequate number of escorts & invest in the manning needed than another carrier.

Frank62

Plus restore the FAA-no more “sharing” aircraft with the RAF.

Daniele Mandelli

I’d be pissed off if this was true. For the money I’d want us to purchase escorts. We have our 2 CVF we don’t need more.

andyreeves

the ticondaroga cruisers being retired could be worth a look at. with one retiring every year, other than the big crew sizes they’d be ideal for carrier escort, the job they were designed and have been used to do. the british stubburness for not buying second hand warships(even though everybody else does) buying our t 23’s from chile could work, also the two type 22’s still in service withbrazil and romania might be worth a punt. the t22 was designed to be upgradable to destroyer. withdrawal of the class was on a par with the cancellations of the proposed numbers… Read more »

Ld Elon

Why are you wasting tax payer money on sitting ducks.?
Must be another reason.
>Future hospital ships

Daniele Mandelli

Because the carriers make potential enemies of ours sitting ducks.

Merlin. F35. CBG T45 and T26. Astute. Viper. Sea Ceptor.

andyreeves

? can’t understand that one.

Bill

HMS FITTED FOR – A splendidly apt name then all can fantasise about how we want her kitted out whilst the MOD wax lyrical about the potency of the ‘new’ RN with its 24 F35’s spread over 3 Carriers. Pintles for gimpys optional of course!
One thing that will be never be extinct in this country is the white elephant!

Daniele Mandelli

Err, 1 Carrier actually. Not 3.

Mr Bell

I know this is an april fools joke but it would be stupendously brilliant if the UK could get a 3rd QE carrier and then enough subs and frigate/s destroyers to protect them.
We would really be going somewhere in terms of defence capability then.
QE class- best value strike carrier in the world.

andyreeves

not going to happen, go back to bed.

Jassy Spik

HMS Princess Diana.. That would not of been approved by the Queen or sit well with her I promise you that, sooner give her a heat attack.. “Why that god awful women would get any ship named after her and bigger than mine I bloody don’t think so.” lol

andyreeves

call the t 31 the admiral class.blake, russel, anson,cochrane, gibraltar and h.m.s port stanley base one at gibraltar.

Russjm

all paid for by our money tree orchard – I mean seriously!