A magnificent display of naval capability is visible on the River Clyde today as six NATO warships arrived in Glasgow ahead of Exercise Joint Warrior.
Exercise Joint Warrior is a bi-annual event, drawing participation from several NATO member states. It focuses on a broad spectrum of warfare areas, including air defence, anti-submarine warfare, and surface warfare.
This year’s exercises are expected to be especially significant given the evolving geopolitical landscape.
A number of NATO warships have arrived in Glasgow ahead of the upcoming Joint Warrior exercise. pic.twitter.com/sxDMRbweiJ
— George Allison (@geoallison) October 21, 2023
Leading the group was the SNMG1 (Standing NATO Maritime Group One) flagship, the German frigate FGS HESSEN.
Accompanying the FGS HESSEN were two Dutch warships: HNLMS DE ZEVEN PROVINCIËN and HNLMS VAN AMSTEL. Both vessels are integral components of the Royal Netherlands Navy, with the DE ZEVEN PROVINCIËN class being a state-of-the-art air defence and command frigate, while VAN AMSTEL is a multi-purpose frigate. Another Dutch vessel, HNLMS TROMP, is also present.
From Belgium, the BNS LOUISE MARIE and rounding out the ensemble was the Polish frigate ORP GEN. K. PUŁASKI.
The glorious revolution of 2023?
From my terrible memory of old history something about William of orange and was Dutch
James II became very clearly pro Catholic, and had a Catholic son, so when his Protestant Daughter invaded with her dutch Husband the army and Parliament kind of put down arms and sided with them, throwing him out, and putting a dutch government under Mary and William into power.
Yeah something like that 😂😂😂😂, unless it’s scotland against England or less than 100 years old my interest and knowledge is limited.
I don’t think Scotland and England actually fought a major battle since Flodden in 1513. Everything after was political factions on both sides, Covenanters, Jacobite’s etc. even at Flodden Scotland only was willing to do a small skirmish inside the English boarder to honour its commitments to France.
Hence King Billy.🙃
Something to do with the orange lodge
One hundred and eighty! 👍
Except when James and George arrived they where legitimate heirs taking the crown as part of the natural succession, not usurping the crown at the head of the army…
But I know pro-Russian people struggle to understand the difference.
Well if you ignore that the others where either dead or catholic, but as I said, Pro Russians really don’t care about nuance they’re just propaganda regurgitates, as your edited first paragraph proves.
I suggest maybe Ukraine is a lesson is sticking to what the people want instead of cosing up with Putin, but hey, anything against your paymaster is obviously wrong in your book, so I think we can ignore your opinions here.
“Actual King”
Yes, the Glorious Revolution which is what we intitally where talking about before you started acting like George I’s accession was the same thing. It wasn’t.
II) Nope they were not. Sophia was literally next in line.
I’m done repeating myself to this Russian troll, and yes, the fact that you are an anti-west Russian troll is entirely relevant as it colours everything you post on here, including this bizzare chip on your shoulder rant.
Top man know his history 😉
Not so. When James VI arrived in England in 1603, he remained James VI of Scotland and became James I of England until the Union in 1707.
Very limited powers indeed. Parliament had the money and the Crown had the semblance of authority; but when we speak today of the Crown, we actually mean the people. It was the making of modern Britian only now unravelling before our eyes.
Indeed, although in theory even today the monarchy is capable of wielding a lot more power than we give them credit for, simply choosing not to exercise it.
(Obviously more complicated than that, and there’s the whole “If they use their power they can only do it once because we’d take it away from them afterwards” angle, but yeah.)
Wrong. Maybe run along and find someone who is uninformed enough to buy your bs.
Oh dear, Ducker has to resrot to insulting my avatar, that pretty much means the rest of your drivel isn’t worth reading as I said.
Try coming back when you’ve got something better than ad hominems Rusky.
You understand very little. These were epic times in these islands.
The Line of succession from Anne was:
-Prince William, but he’d died 14 years before her.
-James Stuart, but he’d been deposed in the Glorious Revolution and was Catholic.
-Sophia of Hannover, but she’d died a couple months earlier.
-George the First.
Hardly “50” (or was it 20 Ducker?) others to find obscure Germans. Nor was it the natural succession being replaced by one decided by Parliament when you actually look at the family tree and when people died.
But as I said, Russians don’t really care about the truth.
*yawn* Sophia was LITERALLY next in line:
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5802be09dcfa35c8d617517932e0342f
And no, nothing that comes from propaganda mules like yourself with chips on their shoulders can ever be considered reliable.
Sorry troll, but you’re wrong here, Sophia was next in line.
I don’t understand why Russia has an interest in paying you to mouth off about succession in the 1700’s but, you are wrong, the only people passed over where the Stuarts, which even you admit where inelligable. So do bore off.
Also, your “excuses” for your inability to stay consistent with a number within 2-3 posts on this site are hilarious. Maybe brew up a consistent story and keep some notes before posting next time.
Just come across this exchange…WTF.
Good effort mate, though what this has to do with defence I’m uncertain.
Yeah I just stopped reading his replies after some point. I don’t mind history discussions, usually enjoy them, but that’s just some hell of a chip on a vatnik shoulder.
I recall you mentioned a degree in history, or was it Roman studies? Great knowledge any way mate.
History adjacent, not actually in History but yeah. And Roman, especially Early and Mid Republic studies is a passion project rather than the main focus of my degree (Although Rome was part of it yes).
I normally really enjoy talking about history but when someone starts having a go at me because I have a female avatar and starts trying to pay to pronoun game it’s just not worth it. (Rather telling though that Ducker assumes I’m trans seems like he’s a sexist on top of everything else).
Roman history is one of my passions too, though my focus is more on the “classical” period of the empire from Octavian onwards to Commodus.
What one is has no bearing here as long as one is nice, is nice to others, and expects likewise.👍
I swear we’ve had this conversation? If not I’m having the biggest sense of deja-vouz. Anyway yeah I studied the early Empire, obviously going to a British University any study on Rome would focus on that, and anything on TV will always assume the early Empire is the only bit of Rome (if you’re lucky enough to get some Punic Wars the producers will just go ahead and make everyone look like they’re straight off Trajans column). But it kind of felt boring, there aren’t really any frontiers being pushed in that period. Eh, people can think what they want… Read more »
Ha, yes, we’ve covered a shared interest in Roman history before, but a long time ago and I forgot any details, which is why I re clarified with you. Airborne is also into it.
It’s almost a shame we don’t have a proper old school Forum, instead of just a comments section, we could have a real “History Discussion” Section.
There was no British government until 1707 under Queen Anne who was a sister of Mary. Under James I there was a Scottish and English government and under George I Hanover continued with its own government. All were under personal unions. Only 1707 was a official union.
No agreement, it was a personal union between the Scottish king and the English parliament until 1707.
There has been a Scottish parliament, in one from or another, since the 13 century. It was disbanded in 1707 and moved to London when James VI of Scotland became James 1 of England.
No the Scottish parliament moved 100 years after James VI became James I of England. The act of Union was 1707 and the Union of the crowns was 1607.
You had it mate, sorry I’m a history buff, and I don’t normally comment! But I really like your comments and supportive blokes! Top people
Why thank you. Please comment when ever you like. I used to also just be a reader. Knowledge is great and even better when shared.
The period between the Civil War 1642-49 to the Glorious Revolution of 1688 followed by various Act of Parliament, is the most significant in our history. Please do read up on it!
It’s also the plot basis for Game of Thrones 😀 everyone in England kept killing each other until the King of the North took over 😀
Impressive assembly and hope crews are enjoying Glasgow.
The M-class frigate in the movie is F 931 BNS Louise Marie. Another M-class frigate, F831 Van Amstel carries Ultra Electronics Multi-static Low Frequency Active Passive Sonar.
Among the fleet, Van Amstel is the only to have such good ASW sensor, while FGS HESSEN, HNLMS DE ZEVEN PROVINCIËN, and HNLMS TROMP are APAR AAW frigates.
In general, the fleet is very AAW oriented. Interesting.
That’s correct. LFAPS has been developed exclusively for the Royal Netherlands Navy. As far as I know, it will be carried over on the M-frigates’ successors, currently known as ASW-frigates.
That’s a powerful squadron of ships. Close to all the operational escorts we have at the moment.
Wish list mate??
😳🤞👍
There are 10 British escorts operational at the moment.
Many who post here will recall that in recent memory, the RN once had over 50 frigates and destroyers flying the White Ensign. The fact that we now have such a reduced escort feet is a matter of national shame
Agreed that it is national shame ,when I was a kid every year I would get Guide to the Royal Navy year book as that’s what I wanted to do .It’s sad to see over the year’s less and less pages book getting thinner . 🙄
And yet is there a European NATO navy that can match our capability?
I’m going to say something so cringe. A lot of those 50 escorts were poorly armed, some could be described as a gun boat.
I would love to see numbers increase. Type 31 kind of ships with plug in extra sensors, towed array, etc. 12 of them could help a lot to put presence around
Or, failing that, a sort of river/Type 31 crossover with reduced missile fit out to cover the Gulf/wherever patrols with a little more fightyness but not as a ‘proper escort’
Making it clear that’s what they are, to replace river 1s. Maybe take out the mk41 for mission bay but keep the guns, I like the idea of A,B, X turrets it feels beautifully old fashioned
I served on a ship in the late seventies which was part of STANAVFORLANT a precursor to this little collection. Then each NATO country with a respectable navy contributed a frigate. Every now and then a nation would contribute a destroyer. UK,USA,Denmark,Norway,Canada,Germany, Spain,Portugal,Sweden were regular contributors. We also had a dedicated oiler. Two that spring to mind were RFA olna and USS Kalamazoo. When we linked up with STANAVFORCHAN that was impressive.
This make sense why cart around and maintain expensive weapons systems when your on humanitarian or constabulary missions. Buy a few sets and deploy when needed.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/sm-6-missile-fired-from-littoral-combat-ship