British weapon supply flights, the first taking off before the invasion started, continue day and night to supply Ukraine with weapons with which to defend itself against invading Russian forces.
The supply flights started before the invasion and have not stopped since. However, they now land in Poland near the Ukrainian border.
The British military continue, day and night, to supply #Ukraine with weapons with which to defend itself against invading Russian forces. The supply flights started before the invasion and have not stopped since, however they now land in Poland near the Ukrainian border. pic.twitter.com/AJn8j3URm3
— George Allison (@geoallison) July 31, 2022
The UK recently announced that it would supply “scores of artillery guns, hundreds of drones” plus 50,000 rounds and more anti-tank weapons to Ukraine in the coming weeks.
“The delivery of the new equipment will significantly step up the UK’s support as the country fights to repel Russia’s brutal and unjustified invasion.”
More than 20 M109 155mm self-propelled guns and 36 L119 105mm artillery guns will soon arrive from the UK, Defence Secretary Ben Wallace announced in an update to Parliament today. Counter-battery radar systems and more than 50,000 rounds of ammunition for Ukraine’s existing Soviet-era artillery will also follow, he added.
“This equipment will bolster the Armed Forces of Ukraine’s ability to defend itself against Russia’s indiscriminate use of artillery. The UK will also send more than 1,600 more anti-tank weapons in the coming weeks, along with drones, including hundreds of loitering aerial munitions.”
So far 6,900 NLAW, Javelin, Brimstone and other anti-tank weapons, as well as 16,000 artillery rounds, six Stormer vehicles fitted with Starstreak anti-air missile launchers and hundreds of missiles have been sent to Ukraine.
The UK has also supplied maritime Brimstone missiles, multiple launch rocket systems, 120 armoured fighting vehicles and large quantities of non-lethal aid including more than 82,000 helmets, 8,450 sets of body armour and over 5,000 night vision devices, say the MoD.
Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said:
“The scale and range of equipment we are providing demonstrates the strength of our resolve. Together with our international partners, we will ensure Ukraine has the tools to defend their country from Putin’s illegal invasion.”
It comes after the UK launched a major training operation for Ukrainian forces, with the potential to train up to 10,000 soldiers.
Good. In the fullness of time it would be good to see Ukraine push the Russians back to Russia where they belong. Helping them do that and thus ensure aggression is not rewarded is in everyone’s interests.
100% 👍🏻✌🏻
It is absolute crucial Mark. This aggression must not succeed.
I would love to see it too, I doubt it will happen unfortunately, unless Putin’s regime falls…
Best we can hope for is a negotiated settlement with Russia pulling back to the ‘People’s Republic of Donbass’.
The Russian majority in that area have their “freedom” … Good luck with that, everything smashed to bits and a bankrupt Russia to rebuild it for you!
It’s not the peoples Republic of Donbass it’s a part of Ukraine and always will be, Ukraine should concentrate on taking back the south including the Crimea for now.
It is good to see the country that went in first with vital hardware has the staying power. Watch how the post-war settlement when it comes screws us over in favour of ‘Europe’.
Maybe.
The Ukrainians know which side their bread is buttered on, in terms of defence. UK stepped up and US followed up with the other Baltics. France and Germany proved totally useless as they were more interested in their economic interests.
If we wanted to do a big trading and arms push with the Baltics this was probably the best way we could do it. Our missile sales are going to be through the roof.
The only problem is that for some odd reason Ukraine sees the EU as part of its security. Which it isn’t: hopefully that view point will change.
Poland’s view point has certainly changed to self defence as opposed to relying on anyone too much.
Was in lviv and Kyiv last year, it’s exactly that they see their future as been part of the EU, for freedom to move about, €€, improving life etc, I did explain that it’s not that simple as they would soon have a war with Russia to sort out first.(they knew it was coming long ago) weirdly Britain’s name was in conversations as country that would help defend them as well as usa and Poland. No mention at all of eu/nations about that.
As for other thing? Yep eu/france-germany will be rewarded purely for been part of eu, not a clue about uk-ukraine after this disgusting invasion is over
Careful what you wish for.
€€ killed the Med economies. You just end up with higher wages and more expensive goods with no mechanism to allow for a less efficient economy. All their good workers will disappear to Germany, Poland or the EU Baltics to make money to send back home. That isn’t a win as it will cause crippling wage inflation.
Germany and France will depend on the ‘you are now with our club’ argument!
Exactly my point to them.. listening to them in bars, couple social clubs, they are lovely people , most are very poor even though city’s look ££ in some areas. Nothing wrong with trying to get a better life, they can mostly move around eu at moment but I can’t see a country like Ukraine been tied right to the EU. They haven’t been free that long of Russia, this war will push them far westwards towards EU. It’s a country worth defending, unfortunately they thought we’d come flying over borders with the yanks and poles.
Sadly not and that nut job in moscow knew that and that’s why it’s so important why things keep getting sent.
One funny point, I know people can comment but not say. . . A few people were very sure we sent stuff long before Putin went nuts and invaded for second time.
Oh and beer was 70-75p a pint equivalent
EU is attractive to ex soviet bloc countries, they want help to reduce their corruption and establish law , policing, civil rights, independent press, they want the western lifestyle.
The downside was that much of their population that could moved west, intent on getting that lifestyle as soon as they could, not waiting for it at home. Thus leaving the Baltic states in particular with unbalanced populations. A large proportion of the emigrants coming here as we, unlike most of the EU, didn’t impose a time limit before they could move. Hence the invasion of Polish builders etc.
Yaaaaaawn give your shite a break and how about condemnation of Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine. You’ve been pushing pro Russian shite since 2015 and all your USSR drooling vomit is on line for all to see. Sad sad wanker.
More like Putin’s grey zone tactics at play, he knew people would move to safe zones- putting pressure on those nations nearest and potentially causing local unrest. But like the rest of the invasion it hasn’t gone very well has it, Europe for the most part has rallied together and NATO has never looked stronger.
To be fair, Poland, the Czech Republic and other central/eastern European countries have actually made their membership work financially. The last article on here about Poland’s new defence spending spree did state how much their economy has grown in the last 20 odd years (i.e. since they joined the EU in the early 2000s).
To just simply say that they’ll end up as the new Greece doesn’t take into account the positive outcomes of the Baltics and other countries. Greece joined 20 years before Poland and the Czech Republic, but it’s those countries that have done far better considering how recently they’d dragged themselves out of communism.
I’m not saying that there aren’t problems with the EU, but to say there are no financial benefits to membership is also not true. It’s all their “ever closer union” thing that is the real issue for me.
It is those countries that are close to Germany that have done best as the Germans in particular moved significant industry into what was low (to the Germans) cost areas used to light and heavy engineering. This included VW moving cable looms into Ukraine, outside the EU for now but a cost saving that couldn’t be ignored, a decision they now bitterly regret. The Germans used eastern Europe in much the same way as the US/UK used China to offshore for profit, sod their local workforce.
Any condemnation of putins illegal invasion of Ukraine yet saddo?
I know I am among many who are excitedly waiting JohninMagnetogorsk’s reply …
Its only really Greece that had serious troubles and their EU membership saved them from a lot of pain. The other nations have generally done well, if you looked at GDP per capita and most EU countries are in a pretty good spot.
National debt is high in southern European countries but so is ours and the US.
err… Spain and Italy have both been hammered by membership of the Euro. Massive levels of sovereign debt, High prices, and high unemployment rates aren’t fun.
All helped by the low Euro interest rates that are perfect for the German and Dutch economies.
I know plenty if Ukrainians already here in the U.K., and they’re all doing professional jobs.
Exactly my point.
They are good workers!
It’s interesting that Ukraine see the EU as it was originally intended to be- an economic alliance, rather than what the Euro Federalists want it to be- some kind of overarching everything alliance (including security).
I was pro-EU, but I never saw it as a security or legal solution- it should always have stuck with the economic side.
They see it as a hand to help them out of an economic hole and been tied to Russia. (Before Feb) We are looked on as supportive of them in a different way, they trust us individually and didn’t hear too many positive points about Germany, France, Spain, Italy also they like Boris a lot ha ha.. a great country that deserves helping to the maximum
Absolutely, one thing (among others) that we can be proud of in terms of our foreign policy work since 2014 and before. It’s the long term support- not just when it hit the big news.
A huge reason for any Eastern European country joining the EU is to get grants for rebuilding/ reconstruction/ redevelopment. The huge amount the U.K. paid annually to be in the EU was roughy equivalent to the amount the EU gave to Poland every year.
If Ukraine joins the EU there’s going to be a huge amount of money going there every year for decades to come, and Germany and France will be the two biggest countries stung. But even countries like Eire may find themselves giving more to the EU than they get back in grants – that will be a shock for them! 😆
It certainly will, quite the shock to the system!
If the EU thinks that’s bad wait until SNPLand joins them – 300Bn in debt and no viable currency 😂.
(a) Assuming they’re allowed a referendum – not happening
(b) Assuming the Scottish Nazis win a referendum – not happening
(c) Assuming the Scottish economy survives the years of waiting to join the EU while Scotland is excluded from its biggest export market, the United Kingdom – it won’t
Speculated that Poland went South Korea route for IFVs, fires and the rest as the prospect of coming to the fore as a major European buttress, whilst Germany sat back and sold them the hardware, would have proved somewhat unpalatable.
With the Baltic and the Scandinavian states as part of the UK led Expeditionary Force along with the Netherlands; Poland and the Ukraine seen as essentially pro British; Italy tied into Tempest and more and lovely Portugal who have been allies for 600 years who does that leave for the super duper European force who can be relied on? Ah, thereby hangs a tail.
Netherlands Navy/Marines work very closely with RN/RM but their Army/Airforce are tied into German counterparts. Overall it’s Germany not the UK they work with. On Portugal the days when they were an ally are long gone.
No argument with that David. The RNN and RNMC have been together since WW2 so that makes that set up pretty solid. As for Portugal they looked pretty happy when they signed up for a new bilateral agreement a few weeks ago. Anyway, I like Portugal😎
Portugal hah can’t beat Filey ! 😁
Can’t argue with that either, my good lady and I were in Yorkshire only last September. It does seem along time ago now.
Difference is the % of operational kit in Netherlands is far higher than in Germany.
Germany needs to spend a lot of money just to get what it has working and have warstocks.
TFEU Art 42.7
To be fair, what exactly do we produce that Ukraine would want in terms of military equipment?
Brimstone, CAMM, some light patrol-type vessels. Maybe Typhoon, if they could afford them. Everything else that we’ve supplied them, we’ve bought from elsewhere.
Can’t blame Ukraine for going for Leopard 2, when we don’t have enough CH2 in service and no production line.
Can’t blame Ukraine for going with Krab/PZ2000/Ceasar/Archer when we’re looking for an AS90 replacement from Korea.
Can’t blame Ukraine for picking Puma/CV90 when Warrior is too old and Ajax is too compromised.
They aren’t screwing us over, UK government policy for the last 40 years has screwed us over.
To be fair to them, where we have had a decent offering, Ukraine have verily eagerly gone for it.
That is very detailed but that was not the point I sought to make. When Putin is sent packing, the E.U. will elbow the U.K. aside.
Thats going to be the truth. We support Ukraine at huge expense then we will get locked out of any lucrative trade and rebuilding deals by our ‘”friends and allies” in the EU.
You can see it coming from a million miles away.
UK chose to leave the EU, are you saying it was the wrong decision?
Not sure if he is saying that but he isn’t completely wrong about the EU will do its best to tie EU membership to giving the majority of contracts to EU based companies, it’s not really rocket science is it. We have just seen the sale of OneWeb to a French Company with half its value because OneWeb will be locked out of any sensitive EU business unless it becomes a subsidiary of an EU company. This is despite UK Govt gaining relative control of it to get around being locked out of European GPS efforts. French must be laughing at us I’m afraid as new owners of the only real competition to to Starlink having originally missed the boat. Like them or loathe then they see the future while we barely look a month in advance. So yes I fear we will get but token work in Ukraine as the rest is chased by the EU and the US squeezing us to the pips I fear even though there will be so much to do we will have enough for the Govt to boast about. Sadly even then I fear much maybe most will go to foreign owned Companies based here.
The Wikipedia entry “The merger of OneWeb and Eutelsat was announced on 26 July 2022. Eutelsat and OneWeb shareholders would each hold 50% of the new Eutelsat shares. The transaction valued OneWeb at $3.4bn. Eutelsat would continue to be listed in Paris and apply to list on the London Stock Exchange.”
You understood my point exactly. When Ukraine wins – Putin has already lost – the E.U. will jump to the head of the queue to undertaken the reconstruction of the country.
Unfortunately I agree. UK must not give to Ukraine reconstruction. Let the EU pay for it all – lets see how that goes shall we.
I mean it’s obvious. We left the EU club. Ukraine wants in the club. So it’s in the EUs interest to use money they put forward to be spent within the EU.
U.K. can offer money and put in a contract that so much of it must be spent in U.K. etc. It’s then up to Ukraine to decide. Also if U.K. has the best services on offer it will win
With that I do find talking about money for reconstruction is a bit off. They haven’t won yet and it’s a big job to beat Russia back. If ukraine lose I doubt the U.K. will be helpful in reconstruction so let’s focus on getting the job done first
Not sure it’s a totally good idea to make these arrangements public knowledge.
Good to see our flights no longer have to avoid German airspace.
“British aircraft continue to ship weapons to Ukraine.”
Late night George?
Airships.
Par Avion
Considering it was reported by some military sources we barely have enough ammunition to last more than weeks in any large conflict I do wonder what they are carrying. After all we are hardly flowing in kit to fire it either. I suspect much of it has been acquired from other sources to supply Ukraine as a show of unity.
I thought Americans used the word ‘ship’ to mean ‘transport’?
Americans are so fluent in English they use words to mean anything.
Keep the support and weapons flowing. Putin is probably gambling now that the West will gradually begin to lose interest. I really hope this doesn’t happen.
I don’t think there is long to go before Russia starts to run out of the basics.
Do they have the production capability to replace ammunition at the rate it is being expended / destroyed – NO.
Do they have the ability to replace their high tech missiles with the school/hospital/civilian precision seeker technology – NO
Can they make T72 tanks at the rate they are being blown up: NO
I could go on and on: it just isn’t sustainable never mind the men to operate all the antique garbage or their moral as they realise antique tanks offer no protection.
Haven’t heard anything from that chap in Milton Keynes recently. Should we have?
Hi there.
Shucks, when Putin trawled the prisons for his latest mobilisation by stealth I’d hoped that had netted you…
I am far too far west and anyway a net would have to have a tiny mesh to net me and probably even the 77th only have a fleeting interest in me.
77 Bde don’t do that kind of work.
Ah yes, I forgot you’re a traitor rather than a Russian stooge…
Here’s the thing, in the previous post you used the American “maneuver” rather than British “manoeuvre”. A ‘mistake’ I would especially not expect from someone who has previously claimed to serve.
So an American in MK? Well MK is as desolate as some one horse towns in the Midwest. But more likely a foreigner whose first language isn’t English, pretending to be a Brit, but learned American-English.
Such an obvious mistake Ivan.
Damn he’s a sleeper. Probably pre programmed with stats about Cathedrals dotted all around the Country. Just keep away from Canterbury it’s close to my heart.
Drive past a few times a year. Got friends in Deal.
Yeah he’s a ‘steeple spotter’… which is even sadder than being a ‘train-spotter!
Where did I claim to serve? I didn’t and have never claimed to have done so.
My sometimes strange spelling is because I haven’t been able to work our how to get Firefox’s spell checker to spell the English way as opposed to American.
You obviously have never been to MK. ‘Fly’ over it sometime in Google maps and see if you can find any ‘desolate’ areas. I’m a few hundred yards from VW/Audi/SEAT/Skoda HQ with Scania and MB a bit further down the road. There are probably few better areas in the UK to bring up children and work.
You’ve been vomiting pro Russian bile since 2015, on other websites, and with very easy to verify and cut and paste Russian propaganda. Any condemnation of putins illegal invasion of Ukraine you nonce loving saddo.
Intended or not, you do come across as some kind of East German ‘government worker’ whose career high point was ruined by the fall of the GDR, and you’ve been blaming NATO ever since.
You actually just described Putin!!! 😆
😂
I still think the MK is Moscow Kremlin.
‘He’ is actually a team I conclude. ‘His’ resources, and, as you point out, variety of spellings and usage point to more than one individual. The messages are very occasionally toned down; but the direction is always and cynically pro-Kremlin bunker.
Yes I think you’re right. If it was the same person he wouldn’t be so amiable today after the the way I wound him up a couple of days ago for effectively being a war criminal by condoning Putin’s actions.
He makes quite a few, or should I say “they” make quite a few. The new one who is most amusing is currently A Moore, saddo who always seems to be on the same thread/posts and agenda as Johnskie.
Oh dear you still know sweet fa about the military from the country you claim to be from, saddo.
How is Milton Keynes I nearly moved there for job at the Open University many, many years ago haven’t been back since.
Its a brilliant place to live, been here since 1976. The OU was one of the first organisations here and a big employer but given the growth in the place it is less important now. For a while I went out with a woman who worked on Foxhunter, the Marconi offices were next to ours.
I take it going out with a women, as a pro Russian illegal invasion supporting dick, means she didn’t reciprocate the date and she ended up r***d and dead in a ditch, while you stole her washing machine.
It is I think indicative of Ivan’s duplicity that he feels obliged to write travelogue pieces to prove his credentials. I have met no one who is British who would ever bother to do that.
Agreed 😂👍
You have done more than anyone around here to point out this misinformation effort targeted at UKDJ. The re-published back catalogue was particularly damning seen as a whole. Great work.
Thankyou very much mate lol but Farouk is the day to day ninja on handing him his arse!
We better not otherwise we may as well offer up our necks for the attachment of. chains which will inevitably down the line destroy life as we know it in Europe and further afield indeed. Trouble is the average voter in Europe and certainly America doesn’t remotely understand the consequences of not supporting Ukraine. Relief in the short term if even that would occur would be replaced by disaster in but a few years if Putin and Xi are empowered in these moments. They would literally have us by the throat with the global South falling in line to do their bidding too.
I see that Germany has sold 100 Pzh 2000 howitzers to Ukraine in a deal worth 1.7 billion Euros although the order will take several years to complete and it is not known when the first howitzer will be delivered. That’s nice of them.
Well we did have to buy the M109s off Belgium before they went to the Ukraine and as far as I know we gave them to Ukraine 😕
Well, according the Brussels Times, Belgium refused to provide the same M109s to Ukraine because of,
If only there was some other idiot to purchase them and provide them to Ukraine instead.
The point is the bloody Belgians COULD have given them anyway! But no they had to make a profit.
Yes I agree. The Belgians could have purchased them from OIP and sent them on to Ukraine themselves. They chose not to because they did not want to spend the money that OIP was asking for them.
Shows how committed to freedom and democracy the Belgians are, or rather, aren’t..
Hmm, the epicenter of all things EU, not being committed to freedom and democracy, now that can’t be right Sean!
That’s their French side at work I’m afraid. To think we only entered the 1st WW to defend them because we said we would after the bloody Napoleonic War a century before. They really are a waste of space.
Many, many thousands lie in war graves in Belgium. How many are Belgians?
Yes as usual, style over substance, if only we were as good at making things as we are at pr bullshit aimed to hide the fact we don’t eh.
Geez even the Turks are giving them free Bayater drones so the money Polish people collected for them can go for humanitarian causes. So the most despised Country in Europe in Ukraine ( or is it France) is already making money out of them, yep bodes well for rebuilding I’m afraid. Mind you probably our fault for stop building much of the basics that they need while ‘pacifist’ Germany was happy to keep making them for the benefit of global Germany.
Germany is a disgrace to sell weapons rather than to gift them. Ukraine has precious little cash as their economy has stalled.
And where’s Ukraine going to get the money for 100 howitzers? German taking the opportunity to make money out of Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. Who’s next, the frogs?
Germany should be grateful that we’re helping their new customer stave off the Russians with our free stuff, at least until the cheque clears at Deutsche Bank.
Just popping in to say hello to all of you lovely folk on here……….. 👌
Hi folks hope all is well.
Quite right, the UK was the first to step up and meet the challenges of supply and training to Ukrainian military personnel. We must and need to continue with a dogged stance and not waiver!
As a side related issue. There’s some view with main stream media reported that Russia is going to equip hypotonic missiles to it’s warships. What do we know about this as fact or not as the media mostly is wrong regarding military issues.
Cheers
George
I think Ukraine will be flying F-16s over Sevastopol before the year is out, The Russian navy will be sunk at anchor before it can launch hypersonic missiles.
Putin will threaten a tactical nuclear strike if it looks like the Americans will actually supply F-16 to the Ukraine. Even as Ukraine pilots are training on them stateside. I’m not sure they have actually told Biden – in case he craps out again. Or maybe he slept through the briefing
I think the US will supply a handful of early model F16 with a proviso that they not be used to strike targets in Russia; bit like they did with MLRS.
Would the long range missiles for HIMARS reach Sebastopol? Dems and Republicans seem keen to supply them only Biden seems understandably reluctant. But in all honesty I am more concerned with the Taiwan Pelosi risks presently than Russian threats.
Yes the ATACMS has a 300km range, enough to hit targets anywhere in occupied Ukraine with the current front lines.
It also incidentally uses the same warhead as harpoon so would likely make a mess of the Black Sea Fleet in harbour.
The problem with ATACMS is they stopped producing them in 2007, so finite in numbers. Things will change for the betetr when the new Precision Strike Missile comes on line next year (British Army to field it in 2024)
Very true, but I doubt Ukraine would need especially large numbers to have a disproportionate effect. Once the capability has been demonstrated, and if it is demonstrated semi regularly, then the Russians would have to take the existence of these weapons into account in all their planning.
The Russians say that the Zircon, a M9/10 anti ship missile, has now passed all tests which started last December and included one at maximum range, 1000km in May launched from a VLS cell of their latest frigate. They are now working on integrating it into their shore based anti ship system Bastion, replacing the Onyx missile. This is the latest press release, the previous release on the 18th July described ‘in service’ as being end 2022 but they appear to have brought it forward.
MOSCOW, July 28. /tass/. The Zircon hypersonic missile for surface ships of the Russian Navy may be put into service in September 2022. This was reported to TASS by a source close to the Russian Defense Ministry.
“The state tests of the product have been completed, all documents for the adoption of the product for service have been prepared. It is expected that in September the surface Zircon will be put into service with the fleet”, he said.
Didn’t Steve Zodiac used to shoot down Zircon missiles from Fireball XL5 if I remember correctly?
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We’d better get Fireball XL5 into service PDQ.
What do you think this SAM missile is in the video? It’s soviet I think
https://youtu.be/gqCSKtJrlxA
Apparently the Russians are so low on missiles, not only are they attacking land targets with anti-ship missiles, but they’ve now started using S300 SAMs to attack land-targets. I suspect it was one of these the Ukrainians blew out of the sky in that video.
Yes which shows that boasting about hypersonic missiles is one thing having them to use or indeed their use having any real impact on the conflict is marginal at best. Even the US couldn’t afford to use its coming hypersonics (3 recent successful tests of far more sophisticated weapons) at anything but limited high profile targets. If anything the reported use of several by Russia early in the conflict was more for pr and ‘testing’ in combat than any real strategic advantage like they did with Armata tank in Libya. Interesting to know if they performed any better mind.
I’m pretty sure the ones they’ve already used are simply repurposed ballistic missiles launched from aircraft, I doubt the accuracy isn’t that great – but that doesn’t seem to be a priority for the Russians so long as they hit something in the right country.
The American ones are far more sophisticated designs, as are the Chinese. With the Americans are way ahead on engine technology.
The sad thing here is I recognised it straight away, I need to get out more
And maybe we could get the Navy to use Supercar for the carriers. VTOL hovercraft FTW.
Modern smart missiles generally are rather difficult to shoot down I’m afraid as we have discovered in this war and previously with USS Stark, Naval supremacy is based on many interlocking factors that a faster missile even if it were available in numbers does little to nothing to chip away at. I guess some might appreciate a few more minutes to live, but that’s about it. I personally grew up with the 3 minute warning if it’s one or two minutes makes little difference in reality a serious shooting war amongst elite powers isn’t going to end well or much differently, hypersonic missiles or otherwise.
Yeah and the Armata tank is in full production filling Russian front-line tank regiments… 😆
The only certainly about what Putin says is that it’s full of lies, untruths, half-truths, and delusions. I wonder what other vengeance weapons Der Fuhrer is about to announce 😆
You mean like the release to operational use of the Poseidon torpedo?
No he already announced that in 2018…
and it’s only taken them 30 years to build a submarine capable of carrying them 🤣
Yeah that was a concept being played with going back to the 60s, only Russia seems to have decided it’s a good idea, the propulsion systems are interesting if equally ancient in concept mind, but I guess so we’re rockets. In the end though it’s just another ways of killing everyone on the planet, yes sounds all Dan Dare and scary and looks good to a technically naive public looking to be filled with Imperial grandeur, which requires new super wonder weapons to obscure the message from the realities, but we already know we can all die in a nuclear war it does nothing to help one side or the other survive that very real fact. Worth taking a look at the Me 163 prototype film very impressive in its own way, but similar thinking in reality and totally pointless in reality other than to encourage a mad dictator that the unsinkable is winnable. That’s probably the real danger in such weapons as Poseidon.
I was replying to Sean’s comment re “vengeance weapons” as it seemed to fit the bill rather well.
Ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa
Yes it does take quite some time to correct intrinsic problems when these weapons are put to the test even against third World opposition.
You are very well read about crappy Rusdian “wonder weapons” its all a load of hyperbole of course. If Russian weapons were any good they would have turned over 2nd rate Ukraine by now.
I dont believe any of it.
How’s the weather in Moscow Johnski? Maybe you dont know as youve been stuck in a basement of the kremlin for weeks with your handler having a gun to your head or offering you a nice cup of novichok tea unless you do exactly what he says…which is sprout forth some utter guff.
But as with all Russian statements it can’t be trusted. Maybe they do have zircon maybe they don’t. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t. It’s not a game changer anyway.
Indeed it’s barely relevant all it and it’s comrades have done is soured the US to regenerate its own hypersonic weapons program that had been effectively mothballed that will make Russian ‘wonder weapons’ look like they are built from Lego bricks, rather like their wonder military aircraft have proved to be since they too were heralded as supreme fighting machines. Kalibr missiles are pretty good actually and I think in reality the Russians are discovering that 95% of the time they can do everything that it’s celebrated Kinzhal can at a fraction of the cost especially if you use more than one in a strike, only very specific targets require it’s added ‘skill set’. And this is very much in contrast to the effects that HIMARS is clearly having its band per buck is immeasurably higher without all the hype until it’s abilities became clear. Hey after all this was just a multiple rocket system on a truck like there has been since the 40s isn’t it, how boring, no hypersonic missiles there to impress the gullible but hey it’s smart and if Russia had 100 of them with their full variety of missile types not yet available to the Ukrainians, this war would likely be over by now and not in a good way for the West, clearly hype over effectiveness is the priority here because it impresses the public and stirs up misguided patriotism. Meanwhile their much vaunted anti air systems that the World has been so scared about, are more vulnerable to HIMARS than HIMARS missiles ever are to them. Oh the irony on so many fronts.
Yes I’m glad you stated frigate singular there.
Yaaaaaaaaaaawn, more sad vomit and bile! The Zircon “missile” also does an economy wash and a 15 min spin cycle to reduce carbon emissions….
Yes but they will capsize if they actually launch them. No as usual sounds great and yes the Admiral Whatsyoucallit frigate has them because it’s been test firing them but one wonders how many ships are modern enough to handle them or indeed they can afford to fit with them, let alone how many missiles they can actually produce needing no doubt Black Market supplies of components to do so. Hey their latest ‘modernising’ frigate programme has been cancelled due to building, cost and performance factors. And even then their surface fleet would be wiped out before they could launch many so despite the hype they offer little extra in reality to what’s already possible. I suppose it could have a useful pre-emptive strike capability on paper certainly as and when the sub version comes about, but non nuclear would achieve what at most a momentary short lived high point? If nuclear then like before we all die anyway. By the time even theoretically they could have enough to make any real strategic impact if ever, the US will have ten times as many smarter hypersonics to send back with interest not to mention all the high tech weapons they patently lack in response. But hey gives Putin some crumbs of comfort to impress a gullible public, and does he need that. They lapped it up in St Petersburg at the weekend as the rust-buckets sailed by polluting the atmosphere.
I hope we are back-filling!
Bring in the JCBs.
Just read an article from Indian Muslim perspective that JCB fa Tory in India is really an extension and expression of Empire and a tool of Modi who apparently is following the tune of test Empire using them to suppress and knock down Muslim district houses. You really can’t win can you, JCBs a weapon of suppression and British conspiracy enabling Modi’s evil intent by doing business with him, oh and all British Hindus are Fascists apparently pushing and financing this along from afar. Geez where does one start, Modi and his privileged elite, hates the British for heavens sake make it tough to do any business with them, meanwhile Germany and France sell massively more to India than Britain has for decades, we are playing catch up big time there, and they buy nearly all their weapons from that epitome of world peace, selflessness and charity Russia. But hey those facts clearly don’t fit well with this age old sense of ingrained sense of oppression, betrayal and unquestioning hate to focus upon to give them unity and purpose no doubt. Really is depressing when the Indian diaspora in the uk is actually used as a sign of Imperialism, rascism and exploitation, you really can’t win it seems, esp as by far the greater South Asian immigration from that region to Britain is actually Muslim not Hindu.
Why are the Russians invading is now? Don’t worry we have plenty of JCBs and tractors with farmers to defeat the rapists as they arrrive! You better keep your flag waving welcome low key until you know it’s safe to join in the rape and looting!
Maybe buy some tractors 🚜 as the Ukrainians have shown they’re effective against Russian armour 😆
I think not re the stalemate. It was little reported but the chief advisor to Ukrainians President announced over the weekend that at the end of last week the Russians moved 800 vehicles west over the bridge on the Dneiper dam that they still control. This is 5/6 BTG. He expected the Russians, who already had 10/12 BTG west of the Dneiper, to attack at the end of this week. It is unknown whether they will go SW or N. Given the terrain it may give both the Ukrainians and the Russians the chance to show their abilities in maneuver warfare.
Interesting comment re EMP as the Russians have spent decades developing specialist EMP weapons so it is unlikely that they would use a tactical nuke. So far they have shown little interest in disabling civilian communications infrastructure, like mobile phones, so perhaps, as an EMP would hit that network very badly, that action is way down their list. Anyway why would the want to pull NATO’s tail like that? If they do anything its more likely to be something that doesn’t affect civilians like downing a Global Hawk, as the Iranians did and got no blowback. Even the NATO owned RQ-4D perhaps.
Great. 5/6 BGs worth of targets for HIMARS, Caesar and NLAW. Just going to send more piss poor Russian soldiers to meet their maker.
Actually Russian prisoners rather than soldiers. Putin’s last ruse to avoid an unpopular mobilisation is to ‘recruit’ from Russian prisons to make up for the >40,000 dead soldiers he’s lost so far.
The standard and quality of living in Russia is much higher than in Britain, or so family who have worked in and all over Russia tell me(Japanese Multinational Company).Britains live in an induced coma.
It’s probably true that if the salary was constant (from a Japanese Multinational Company) a person could afford a higher quality of life in Russia than in the UK for the same money. The only problem being that the average salary in Russia is about 1/3 the average salary in the UK.
Been a while since we seen you here saddo! Again, same thread, post and agenda as saddo johnskie! Give yourself a tea break and dry your eyes.
800 more targets for Ukraine to blast to pieces, more Orcs to slaughter. Excellent.
We saw how bad the Russians were in their failed assaults and hasty retreats fro Kyiv and Kharkiv
They are reinforcements to try and hold onto Kherson, not to advance. The Russians have slowly worked out the only way they can gain territory is by scorching it off all life by artillery area bombardment. Which is why they don’t throw their tanks forward anymore – well the tanks they have left 😂
Perhaps I should have written the whole statement in which Oleksiy Arestovych said that the Russian force was for attack not defence.
Shall we cut and paste your posts from about 4 months ago (you know, the start of the illegal invasion you said would be done and dusted in 2 days?) Come on saddo have the balls to clarify your agenda! No balls, typical sad no mates.
Yes, reported the Russians have virtually abandoned Zaporizhia oblast which opens the way for the Ukrainians to drive southwards from the Dnieper towards Melitopol and Mariupol, theyve already taken 3 abandoned villages as the Russians retreat towards maintaining a Kherson-Melitopol line to defend Crimea.
JIMK wrote:
If you had done even a little bit of homework, you would know that the RQ-4D is but just a later iteration of the Global Hawk. The clue is in the lettering:
RQ-4A
RQ-4B
RQ-4D
RQ-4E
Whilst I wouldn’t want to be seen to be defending JohninMK, I assume he meant to differentiate between a US owned Global Hawk, and one of the Global Hawks from the collective NATO pool.
You are correct.
You reply to a post from very well mannered daniele who is being very magnanimous but to no one else who questions your shite? Why? Scared? Not allowed? No balls?
Ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaa
They don’t want to disable civviy comms such as mobile phones as it’s their main means of comms ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa
No, but they are a very useful tool for intel, but then you’d know that.
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What calibre elf troops are actually manning these BCTs conscripts,ex prisoners and up to and over 40 yr olds🙄 High quality troops I think not! As has been said more Orc meat to the grinder. As for the manoeuvre scenario Ofcs,fast,attacking armour breakthroughs should not even be in the same sentence.
I imagine Belgium might sell them (Ukraine) some old NBC suits found gathering dust in a warehouse…
I dont think it’s in stalemate yet. I think we will see movements on all sides by end of autumn. Are they going to fight through the cold winter much. I don’t know. Time really is Russia’s enemy and Ukraine’s friend. Ukraine can rotate troops very easily. Russia not so easily. Russia forces have already spent 6 months in the region. 70k Russians dead or injured.
Ukraine will keep getting more weapons. I don’t know enough about Russian industry to know if it can keep up supply of all items it needs.
It’s hard to predict accurately what the likely outcomes will be.
What we do know is where the ground war is now is not what Russia expected. They didn’t plan for a 6 month conflict. They planned for government change and perhaps peace keeping mission as they call it for a while after.
Its certainly going to get interesting if we get to the ‘closed season’ on warfare in Ukraine. Ample opportunity for Ukraine to get a massive resupply, of course Russia will be resupplying too but I can’t help but think that The West will be having a bigger whip round than Russia.
The scary thing is that the longer it goes on, the more desperate Russia will be for a ‘win’ and do something a bit hasty involving weapons they probably shouldn’t.
You seem to mention this Nuclear fear at regular opportunities- If I didn’t know better I’d suggest you are scaremongering for some ulterior motive…
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Spot on.
While its all speculation on all of our parts, I’d have thought it would be easier to pass of biological stuff a lot easier than even a small nuke. A nuke has been done deliberately and by a handful of countries, biological would be easier to deny.
Again, all opinion and hopefully all bollox. We’re just a bunch of dafties shooting the shit.
Um, what and where from is this “massive resupply” you mention so confidently. Even now it seems to be scraping the barrel, 40 more T-72 from Macedonia!. I bet there are teams out there scouring the Libyan and Iraqi deserts for abandoned T-72.
Plus the Ukrainians don’t seem to be too happy with the performance of some of the ‘gifts’ like the M-777 isn’t robust enough to keep repositioning and the Pz2000 can’t cope with the rate of fire they need. It seems that whilst they have good features they are not built to take the stresses of all out artillery war like their old stuff was.
As I wrote in another post, time doesn’t matter to the Russians, their weapon of mass destruction that is really worrying Europe, nat gas supply, is waiting in the wings for winter.
JIMK,
l can’t help but noticed how you peddle lots of disinformation regards the weapons the West is giving the Ukraine. You did it the other day regards the missiles used by HIMAR stating ( from Russian sources) of a high dud rate, and provided a picture, yet that picture was the remnants of a missile which struck a Russia command post killing and injuring around 100 people.
Now you do so with the M777 and PZ2000. You then push this line that these weapons don’t bother the Russians, yet not only are they promulgating many stories of how these weapons are killing Indiscriminately, they have teams set up to take out these weapon systems.
if they really were as bad as you claim wouldn’t Moscow simply ignore them?
Thanks, I was not aware that it was a command post hit, do you have a source I could use?
These weapons clearly worry the Russians, they are doing real damage but they are adapting to reduce the effect they have. The problems experienced by the Ukrainians seem to be at the margin of use, they are still effective and need responding to.
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JIMK wrote:
It was the same strike as that photo you posted of so called dud HIMARS missiles, you know that one I replied to with the much bigger picture of the missile showing that it wasnt a dud but rather what was left of the fragments . On that note I have to laugh as Moscow is currently claiming it has destroyed 2 HIMARS lsunchers which the Ukrianians had managed to hide on the second floor of a block of flats. (Why they even produced a video) really?
Thanks.
JIMK,
The link you requested (may need to read my post which follows it as well) which funny enough is a reply to one of your posts.
You’ve kind of answered your own question mate-ski, it doesn’t have to be T72’s it can be Western kit and Ukraine will have a good few ‘quiet’ months to get trained up on it. No idea if the stuff we’re giving them has issues but you can only piss with the cock you’ve got and its gonna be better than nothing. Assuming you’re telling the truthski……
As for the gas, yeah, that is a concern but Russia only really get to play that card once, as soon as they cut it off its going to hurt both ways as the Europeans will stop paying and whatever trust is left will be gone. Putin is gambling that Europe is ‘soft’, so far that’s not looking the case so a ballsy call by Putin.
For what its worth, I don’t blame Putin for using the oil & gas to further his cause, when you’re at war you’ll use whatever means are at your disposal. Using the oil & gas is very short term thinking though, NOBODY likes to be over a barrel so however it pans out that tap is going to be shut off at some point. Still Putin ‘the Great’ has got his war and we’ll have to see what kind of legacy it produces, still early days but its looking like it could be another Afghanistan for you boys.
Unless NATO starts eating into its own war stocks, which it is showing increasing reluctance to do, there is going to be a gradual reduction of equipment shipped. It is also highly unlikely that there will be a few quiet months, it seems that once a group of Ukrainians get together to train , or move somewhere they get Kalibered.
As to gas, by the winter of 25/6 it is likely that the Russians will have in place a new pipeline from the fields supplying Europe into China. That will solve their long term problem. In the meantime it will take till then and cost billions to build up a LNG infrastructure in Europe. That is if there is any industry still left capable of making it.
Few understand just how serious economically this could get.
With few of us understanding how serious it could get, it’s a good job you’re here to keep us straightski comrade. Cheerski.
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JIMK:
In response to your UK (and the West) are going to face hardships if they don’t stop supporting the Ukraine posts:
In 2001 and 2003 when British troops went to war, the left of the political centre initially attacked them playing the empire card, they are killing little brown children card and the Far right British card. The backlash was swift and those wonk groups (No doubt full of blokes who ID as chicks) found themselves ostracised , so they adapted and instead of openly hating the British military started a campaign of “They need better equipment” which allowed them to continue to undermine the British military by stealth.
It’s the same with all these posts by the pro-Moscow crowd who demand we should think of the old people (Funny enough the same old people they hate for voting for Brexit and whom they have made clear they are happy to see die off) and get into bed with Putin (what is it with these wonks and uphill gardening) because Putin is actually a nice geezer and he is doing us a favour by removing the Nazis inside the Ukraine. The problem with their viewpoint is the Western world started down the path of weaning itself off of hydrocarbons in 2017 and all that Moscow has done in shutting off that tap (which it started doing Dec 2019) is ensure that process will speed up. Yes there will be hardships, but you know what, people survived for hundreds of years across the Uk with less. Yes people will become uncomfortable, but they will survive (as mankind always has) but hey at least they won’t be siding with a Mass murdering Russian thug.
Hiya Johnski, hiya pal. As luck would have it, this wee youtube vid crossed my path this evening. Jeffrey Sonnenfeld might have a bit of a bias but its not like he hasn’t got a clue what he’s on about. Enjoy……..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeP0QwSHKr8
Ha ha ha !! I think that it’s the Russians who aren’t happy with the performance of the NATO supplied weapon systems now being operated by Ukraine, the accuracy of which has had a telling effect on Russian BTG’s, logistics, ammo stores , armour etc. I would expect that the Russians are more disappointed in their airforce that doesn’t fly, a navy that is tactically neutered, their non existent logistics, their defeated ‘elite ‘ troops in the opening days of the war, their scrap armour, amateur tactics and incompetent leadership. The only competency that the Russian military has shown is in peddling falsehoods, murdering civilians, warcrimes, and the suppression of freedom.
You must be so proud.
No skin off my nose either way.
Perhaps you might explain how the Russians have made as much progress as they have against a large, well equipped, well trained and now supplied by NATO, highly motivated Ukrainian military?
For a military that in your words, which are echoed by others here, that has an “airforce that doesn’t fly, a navy that is tactically neutered, their non existent logistics, their defeated ‘elite ‘ troops in the opening days of the war, their scrap armour, amateur tactics and incompetent leadership” they seem to be doing rather well.
Well, self evidently, they haven’t done rather well. They already occupied about 10 % of Ukraine since 2014, and if you think that adding another approximate 10 % to that total after 5 months of war you are even more delusional than I thought. That extra ground the Russians have ‘liberated ‘ has come at a cost of Russian combat losses that are simply unsustainable, the incremental gains they have made have only been achieved by massed artillery barrages resulting in the wholesale destruction of towns and cities. It is not by any means a success or a liberation That then brings on the matter that you refuse to acknowledge ; how is it that someone who is supposedly resident in Milton Keynes can ignore the expansionist nature of Russia’s invasion, swallow the absurd pretexts for the attack, overlook the abduction of civilians into Russia, the arbitrary executions of Ukrainian civilians, the looting, torture and theft of property by Russian soldiers, the filtration camps, the deliberate targeting of civilian housing , hospitals and schools, the jailing and murder of political opposition, the destruction of civil society and freedoms the fascist Kremlin ideology, and then conclude that it is Ukraine with its democratically elected government and a Jewish president that is somehow Nazi. ?
Yeah, my words are echoed by many here, some of whom have a great deal of military expertise and know way more than you could ever hope to, unlike you, they don’t just parrot whatever their FSB daily briefing tells them to. They have more pride and backbone than to be that craven and servile.
Your call genius or is there too much bile there for your delicate feelings to cope with?
No they aren’t you saddo! FFS you are such a well trained poodle of Putin! The rapists are still doing shite, the same as you trolls!
Still on for the Polish border next week then? Or have you forgotten telling us the Orcs could get there whenever they wanted?
Russia is still going to lose though John or are you going to explain how they ‘win’? Nah thought not 🤣🤣
As I wrote, Russia has no need for a nuclear weapon, it has a weapon far more powerful, nat gas supply.
Well as there has been endless internal complaints that military industry needs to be nationalised on a Soviet scale to replace loses and feed the invasion it seems that as it stands it has no chance to get near to replacements. They are hoping the West will capitulate come Winter but that would be worse for it if it did any but thing that’s why the Russians are urging people to take to the streets a desperate move on their part. Will be tough but if Europe gets through to next March Moscow knows it’s only hope has gone that hand weakening and their own exports of gas and income seriously effected, it is estimated it could take ten years even with Chinas help to change focus to Asia who will only exploit it to reduce prices anyway hitting Russia harder still. However what other game can Putin play. He only cares about himself and his own written history so he will go on as long as he can as anything else leads to a dose of death or a sanitarium. So he will push on Hoping for a miracle or at the very least something he can present as a victory internally. However those around him will still know the truth and survival for him might still be in question.
Its definitely not stalemate, the Russians are still maintaining what at times seems to be an almost glacial speed advance. I disagree that time is on Ukraine’s side. Russia still has huge stocks of ex WP items to use up, whilst NATO is gradually running out of stocks that it is prepared to give to Ukraine, wanting to keep something back in case it really goes belly up.
We do not know what Russia expected of this conflict, apart from their objectives which they did outline, everything is speculation. But since one of them was de-nazification, whatever that means, I doubt if they thought they could achieve that in less than quite a few months.
JIMK,
yes you are correct Moscow has plenty of WP items to use, such as T62 tanks, MTLB in lieu of BMP2s, the thing is the Moscow has lost so much of first line equipment It spent the past 10 years upgrading , it is now scraping the barrel.I mean why else is Moscow using Anti ship and Anti aircraft missiles in the ground attack role?
As for NATO stocks other than missiles, NATO has handed over very little.
As for the glacial speed Moscow is advancing, would that have more to do with the very poor quality of soldiers they are now using, having suffered huge losses in its better trained soldiers. Which might explain the craze for setting off AP mines by lobbing stuff into them and filming themselves doing so. Usually ending with the idiot getting injured. Normal people don’t idiotic stuff like that , never mind well trained ones, but hey lots of Russians are doing so, then there’s the penchant for Russian armour to go swanning across the ulu on their todd , five months down the line after suffering many losses to ATMs and they still haven’t learnt not to.
As for all the talk of Nazis, from what the world has seen there is far more who subscribe to that mindset on the Russian side than the Ukrainian one. The last I looked Moscow has bombed more cities, schools, shopping centres, hospitals, murdered more innocents one hundred fold more than anything the Ukraine did, not only that, but they have targeted areas well away from so called Russian speaking areas, areas Moscow claims it is defending.
So back to the stalemate question, as mentioned by many , nobody expected the Ukraine to last more than a month, but hey , here we are 5 months later and they are not only still in the fight, but they are taking it to the Russian invaders, which let’s be honest is being made to look a fool by a so called rag tag army .
There are thousands of T-72s apparently in store and we have seen very few T-90s being used so far. We don’t know why they are using AShM on ground targets but they have been doing it for months with the Bastion missiles out of Crimea. Like many similar NATO missles they were designed for dual use, they have a fair size warhead, perhaps they are doing the same as us, using up stocks near their end date.
I don’t think anyone would regard the large, well equiped and NATO trained Ukrainian army as “rag tag”. They have and continue to prove themselves a tough and respected opponent. How long both sides can keep it up remains to be seen.
‘Rag tag .’ But that is exactly how you described the Ukrainian armed forces before the Russian invasion, we can go back and see those posts from you, your recent conversion to them being a highly trained, well equipped force is a very recent volte face. Pre invasion you described Ukraine’s armed forces as barely trained, frightened conscripts, poorly equipped, inexperienced and badly led and with second rate equipment. Turns out, that was the Russian military you were describing.
Not what you called them a few months ago when you said it will take a couple of days to overrun the Ukrainians and may not even need a ground invasion! But now your rape mates are getting handed their arses on a regular basis you suddenly forget what you previously say! Don’t worry we can cut and paste your previous crap for you it you want! How was the Warzone, the drive website for the last 7 years, any good?
Some of the articles there are pretty good. In general the comments should be right up your street (apart from mine of course).
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JIMK wrote:
And they are the bog standard A and B iterations, exactly the same as the ones which fought in Syria in 1982 (which saw the Sh’ot’ (Israeli Centurion tank) take them out with the L7 105mm gun. Virtually the entire stocks of B3 and B3M have been destroyed
JIMK wrote:
Still a T72, but with a newer shirt on.
JIMK wrote:
When an army starts using kit in roles it was not designed for, its usually a sign of desperation
JIMK wrote:
“”Like many similar NATO missles they were designed for dual use, “”
Might want to look up the adage, “Don’t bluff a bluffer”
JIMK wrote:
The Ukrainian army is now over 1 million strong The UK and US only (not NATO) trained a small pecentage of the above figure, the rest are untrained , which explains why the Uk has set up a plan to train 10K
JIMK wrote:
The one thing I have noticed coming from the keyboards of the pro Moscow crowd is their faux concerns for the Ukrainians, the EU, the Uk, if I didnt know better, I would say this is nothing more than propaganda.
Thousands or T72s in store! How many of them are actually in any fit state to be bought into service after sitting for many years in a field being looted for bits too flog off? Where are the crews for these thousands of tanks coming from?
Jay
This is an expeditionary war. Why would Russia risk nuclear war when Russia itself is not currently at risk? Shells are not raining down on Moscow.
John, The industrial capacity of the West both in terms of scale and in terms of depth is vastly greater than Russia’s. US war stocks are vast. They could donate a thousand M1A1’s and 100s of F16s to Ukraine if they chose. Conversely I’m pretty sure a tactic of spaffing artillery at everything as an alternative to doing anything else will only work as long as your supplies do. Russia’s army is brittle and it will break.
You are correct with your first points but I’m not so sure about the last two. So far there does not appear to be any slow down in supplies and they keep moving forward.
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LMAO now you say you have no clue what the Russians rapists de-nazification means! FFS you are hilarious and ever so simple minded! Again not what you were crowing about a few months ago saddo!
Article in the Ukrainian press that Ukrainian sailors were currently training on a British Minesweeper ahead of two being transferred. Presumably the two Sandown class that we agreed to donate as part of the naval arms sale just before the invasion.
I wonder about these. They can’t be planning on taking them into the black sea soon, would they? Maybe a type 23/45 combo might last the trip to port but Ukraine navy ships are bound to be prime targets.
Fast patrol boats with torpedoes, anti ship missiles might be better. Used with knowledge of where Russian ships are.
Cant get a warship past the Turks can they?
Im 63 and its the first time I feel proud to be British the government stood up when needed and stayed up.
It will be remembered in history that most countries stood against this Russian aggressor not only for ukrainian people but also to free the Russian people.
If this war turn out the way Europe wants. The kremlin is defeated. Think of what a difference it will make.
Thank you Boris for getting in there first.
Many here seem to be ignoring that this is not just a military conflict, it is economic as well and the longer it goes on the more the latter part moves in Russia’s favour. This is down to gas availability and its price.
It seems highly likely that much of Europe (not enough gas), including us (very expensive gas), will be brought to its knees by Christmas, sooner if its a cold, windless or dry autumn.
General Winter is always regarded as a key ally for Russia, this year, right on time his underling Colonel Summer is bringing his asset, no rain, into play. Like the UK much of Europe is very dry, in the UK generally from an economic perspective this does not matter but in Germany/Belgium/Holland it does as significant traffic goes by large barge. It looks likely that all barge traffic on the Rhine will cease this month due to low water levels. This will have a major impact on Germany’s ability to use coal, instead of gas, to produce electricity and there are not enough trucks or infrastructure to replace them. Germany will have neither enough gas or electricity. Then half of France’s nuclear power stations are down due to flaws.
In many ways what is happening in Ukraine doesn’t matter, if the Russians keep the fighting going into the autumn, gradually moving forward, the energy collapse in Europe will force a deal in Russia’s favour.
This will impact on us. Some of you reading this will be old enough to remember the days before central heating, waking up with ice, from condensation from breathing, on the inside of bedroom windows. Only one room in a house heated, shared bath water etc. Superior insulation will change some of that but not all. There is already a big increase in energy costs baked into the October price rise with another due in January by the look of it. At that point central heating could be an unaffordable luxury for many.
If you are too young may I respectfully suggest that you pick the brains of someone you know who is older. Then I hope you will be starting to plan for this now as its likely that for example small fan heaters and electric blankets could become good investments.
Long post, same rhetoric and sad agenda shite with no balls to support and defend your support of an illegal invasion and a disgusting occupying pretend army who are the exact same as the nazis! And your description is Russia in 2022 same as UK in the 70s! At least you are not scared to describe Russia at this time, well done.
If you are not taking steps to protect your budget from what is coming to your gas/electricity bills more fool you.
Ha ha ha haaaaaa
One of your thoughtful replies yet again.
You answer to throw away comments but not to the questions! Just an old, civvy, troll traitor coward who supports rape and murder! How very sad, you may need some friends to pop over from your J Saville supporters club for a chat and a touch up!
Airborne, John recently revealed his career had been in sales. Selling what was unspecified but it did just make me ponder as to the moral compass of this individual. He’s plainly not troubled by selling his talents to whomsoever will pay ( salesman definition, thereof).Im sure he sells to to the highest bidder and keeps his moral compass
precessing when in doubt😉😉!
I loved the patterns the ice made on the windows in winter until double glazing put an end to it. Central heating through heat exchangers is the way things are moving, not 2KW fan heaters. Shared bathwater has only been a thing in my lifetime due to drought (and fun). I suppose we could see a shift to showers, but that will be climate change not Russian driven.
If you want a fairly old fogey’s memories, I’ll refer you to 1973 when the price of crude oil went through the roof due to OPEC and the Arab-Israeli conflict. It went even higher during the rest of the 70s, contributing to stagflation, but by the 80’s we’d got used to it. North Sea oil and gas were already on their way in ’73, and crude oil prices accelerated that, giving us a boom industry. The price dropped in the 90s and went up again in the noughties, an annoying background feature to life, not something that drove lifestyles for most of us.
And so it will be for natural gas price fluctuations. A “disaster” now, an annoyance in times to come, and always with opportunities to take advantage of.
I agree with your air and ground source heat exchangers comment but they are expensive and I long term solution. A £15 2kw fan heater and electric blankets are short term for the coming winter and are likely to be hard to find when we get to winter.
Its gas and electricity prices, not crude based petrol and diesel that worry me for this winter, the bills will be big.
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We will adapt. U.K. is fine. Europes gas tanks are being filled now. Germanys LNG terminal is progressing very fast. It maybe tough but it’s worth it. End of 2022 Germany will have its 4 floating terminals running.
Russia has shot itself in the foot. Once Europe is off the Russian energy it won’t go back.
All of Europe’s LNG ports have been under used so spare capacity was there and being used.
Prices will drop as they always do after a spike.
I hope you are correct, we should hopefully get supplies bu my concern is what price the UK will be paying for its gas over the next 9 months and how much of those supplies, given our well established LNG terminals and electricity interlink cables we onward ship to help the rest of Europe..
Yes it may be difficult for a little bit but I don’t think it’s will break the will of Europe to give in and give russia a free run at any location previously under the Soviet Union.
I do think Europe should of been moving faster with making moving energy easier. Gas trucks/trains, getting power stations ready, laying cables/pipes, renewables etc. 2023 will be better.
You will be devastated if MS’s prediction is even a quarter correct as that will be Yr bonus done for the next year 😅😅 We will get adequate supplies at an affordable price just as we have always done and paid shills like you will influence nothing.
No they won’t, you are at it again trying to sell someone despare on behalf of your paymasters. You should change Yr name here to wormtongue. It’s such a better fit 🤑🤑🤑🤑
OMG….how will I survive without central heating and a fortnight in Spain….what a load of tosh…my parents managed and so will I. The West could use a bit of toughening up. Do us no harm at all to get back to basics…..hard work, teamwork, respect will all increase. Think Lioness solidarity not Tory individualism.
I could swear I heard the music from the “Hovis” commercial playing in the background as I read that
I think the economic side of this conflict will favour the democratic forces in the medium to long run, not the fascist imperialists, even if there is some short term pain.
The 70% of the Russian economy that is not fossil fuel dependant contracted 15% after sanctions and will probably drop another 10%+ over the next year.
This is being temporarily covered up by the rise in fossil fuel prices caused by uncertainty over supplies and the wishes of many to move away from Russia as a supplier for security reasons. The costs of fixed infrastructure mean a relative minor change can push up the prices dramatically in the short term.
Some of this is being met by changes in suppliers for fossil fuels, but some is being met by a massive acceleration in decarbonisation. As a bit of a greenie I welcome this as overdue.
In the medium to long term this will result in a significant drop in oil and gas prices for the same multiplier reasons the price has currently rocketed, given that the economies involved are major consumers.
Oil and gas prices dropping, non fossil fuel economy shrinking, expensive war continuing and already moving against the Fascists. I think this will spell a bullet in the back of the head for Vlady boy and a move back towards civilisation for Russia.
Here you go again John with your wishful thinking BS!! All wars feature economics within them since time immemorial, nothing new there. SO WESTERN EUROPE WILL BE BROUGHT TO IT’S KNEES BY THIS CRISTMAS AS A MINIMUM AS YOU SAY. COULD BE BY AUTUMN. Your talking crap again John you said it all last year after which we had on a European level one of the mildest winters on record. I’ve had the least need for gas and electric this winter than most years I remember and I live in Scotland!! It’s been like a heatwave all winter!! I remember the ice on my windows inside as a child thanks to to no doubt your fellow travellers in the 70’s socialist movement candles etc!! Tories ever since for me thank you. Right now you are for some crazy reason a grubby Russian salesman selling this conflict for your paymasters to the half formed nutcases out there who for whatever reason are desperate to believe Russia is actually going to prevail in Ukraine. That’s where you are coming from John. A sad paid shill hoping to eventually get paid grubby money for your lies and bullshit. Shame on you man you are the worst of the bottom feeders 😖😖
Perhaps it is time for the UK to start domestic production of explosives & propellants again?
Well done Ben Wallace, and well done RAF on timely deliveries.
Russian aggression and brutality must not succeed.
Low marks to Germany for their procrastination and glacial action.