Planning permission has been granted and work has started on a huge expansion of the BAE Systems yard at Govan.
Diggers are currently filling in the former ‘wet basin’ in preparation for the construction of a massive shipbuilding hall, just beside the current smaller halls.
As always, here's a compilation of camera and drone shots of the ongoing work. The flight was conducted legally in accordance with the drone code and relevant legislation. pic.twitter.com/1n7KKVDTSK
— George Allison (@geoallison) February 14, 2023
I recently reported that planning permission had been granted for a huge new shipbuilding hall at the BAE Systems site in Govan, with work on the first ship to be built in the facility starting in 2024. The wet basin at Govan will now be drained, and a covered build hall will be constructed on the site, allowing for later Type 26 frigates to be built indoors.
It is hoped that Type 26 ships 4 to 8 will be built in this facility, with the first three being put together outdoors.
HMS Glasgow is shown below when she was being put together on the hard standing, adjacent to the wet basin area after she was built in sections in the existing build hall and joined together.
The new drydock/build hall would allow ships to be built indoors, protecting them against the elements and would form part of an effort to modernise the yard to make it more attractive to future orders.
Project Background
In their Govan Assembly Hall planning consultation, BAE say that at present, full ships longer than 75 metres cannot be constructed undercover at Govan, something which is a major constraint to their business.
Shown below is the current arrangement, the ‘SBOH’ is the facility in which ship hull sections are currently built before being moved outside and welded together.
According to the consultation:
“As such, BAE Systems intends to develop a new ship building hall which is capable of meeting the United Kingdom’s ship building requirements. This necessitates the construction of a new ship building facility in Govan, one that will allow for at least two ships to be built simultaneously under cover and in single hull format.
“The opportunity to provide a new modern ship building hall of this nature would allow BAE Systems to adopt improved shipbuilding techniques together with improved construction access and state of the art, dedicated, on-site office and amenities accommodation.”
The roof
One interesting detail that has emerged from the planning application process, in my view at least, is that Glasgow City Council requested that the option of integrating a green roof into the current Wet Basin Hall design be explored. It is understood, however, that the architects explored this alongside BAE and the wider design team but through further review and assessment, collectively determined this is not viable within the parameters of the current design.
They explain why, saying that the purpose of the building didn’t lend itself to such a feature and, more importantly, adding the feature would have a “fundamental impact” on delivery dates for the new frigates.
“Due to the scale, span and height of the building, the requirement to free span over these ships is significant and maintaining the lightness of the roof is imperative to the design. Any amendment to the roof that leads to an increase in water retention and increased loading requirements will have a direct material effect on the structural design. This in turn changes the structural frame depths and weights, including increased path loads into the building plinth and foundation design. This will inevitably have a direct impact on the substructure and baring capacity of the foundation design.
These factors will have a fundamental impact on the programme delivery, as stage 4 design which is currently being completed will require a full redesign. If instructed at this late stage, it will result in a delay to concluding the design of the building which will have a direct impact on the construction commencement date. This delay in commencement and completion of the scheme will fail to meet the MOD requirements to build the first ship under cover by 2024 and thus significantly impact the viability of the scheme.”
The Ship Building Hall and Supporting Accommodation
The firm state that the shipbuilding hall will occupy part of the existing shipyard wet basin and will provide accommodation to allow for at least two ships to be built simultaneously under cover and in single hull format.
In terms of dimensions, the proposed shipbuilding hall will be approximately 81 metres wide, 170 metres long and 49 metres high to the building ridge line.
This represents a massive expansion of capabilities and capacity at the yard, as let’s not forget, the original build hall will still be available for use.
“as let’s not forget, the original build hall will still be available for use”
Maybe with a new plate line in it?
Or as a block building locations and then take the blocks next door for assembly?
The second option has been mentioned. Presumably using a barge for the transfer.
The old build hall is next to the new build hall – it would be easier to have some new roller shutters than use barges.
Good luck with that.
Using a barge is an expensive way to move something as it need to be rolled to the barge, loaded, welded down, barge moved, cut free and wheeled off. That all takes days
Wheeled transport across a flat surface takes hours.
Go checkout the site plan.
Excellent news. Thanks George for the super pictures.
Interesting they really are getting a wiggle on. May not look too impressive at the moment but it looks like they are building a causeway acrross behind the line of the new bank. I imagine they will then widen it so they can the heavy machinery to put the steel caison piles in. Then pump out, infill, compact and build the concrete base on, unless they have to pile it..
That sure is a lot of hardore !
George please don’t try this in US at the moment 😀 an AMRAAM might hurt your drone.
If they were going to do that you’d put the sheet piles and/or caissons in from a barge.
I suspect they are going to fill it and pile it.
The advantage of piles is that they can calculate the differential settlement.
That means that statements on the green roof were a little disingenuous regarding foundations as it just means adjusting the pile lengths!
I don’t think the piles are the issue. It will be the size and configuration of the supporting beams in the roof.
It’s more to do with the size of beam beaded to support the weight as the green room would ad significant weight which would effectively cause the roof to push down in th centre which in turn causes the walls to be pushed out
According to this morning’s papers, our Prime Minister has assured us that our RAF Typhoons can also keep us safe from the evil Chinese balloons. Given the number of Chinese phones and Huawei routers in the UK, it hardly seems worth them sending any.
*Sidewinder
ASRAAM, faster, longer range, better IR sensor.
Think you’ve misunderstood the OP
For the hardcore the council will demolish a towerblock or 2. 😂😂😂😂
Interestingly the current build halls plus the area to the front of it including the slipway could in theory then be redeveloped to provide further capacity and modernisation. In theory up to six ships could be in production or maintenance at any one time.
Bae want to keep the slipway for use as a slipway.
If BAE thought there was sufficient business available to warrant further redevelopment I am confident they would find alternate modern ways of moving ships in and out of the water That whole facility could do with modernisation.
Best get on the phone and tell them then.
Why? Money is a great motivator. Let’s face it this new build hall would not be being built if BAE thought they could get away the existing facilities and not lose business – some might say.
It’s being built as part of the batch 2 contract. Money spent on the shed lowers total contract price. Treasury signed off.
Yes. It is suitable for other purposes.
Very fast move. Great to see “plan” start coming to be “reality” !
That’s started quick, was expecting to wait ages after they gained planning permission. Getting pessimistic in my old age and I’m only 27.
Whilst this will have gone through all the pleasantries of the planning process & all objections considered if push comes the shove such an application can be pushed through by the crown. That can give you a little certainty when allocating building contracts etc.
Mobilising a very big digger and lorry loads of Type1 MOT (or whatever hardcore they are using) isn’t that hard.
You just let a conditional contract.
People will hold plant for this kind of thing as the rewards for being the kit supplier for a nice big job like this are very, very big. Hint the margins on plant hire in the UK are obscene.
That said this is not a sophisticated way of doing what they are doing and I am surprised they they are not just using a cantilevered high capacity conveyor with the tippers dumping into a hopper / feeder and that then feeding the conveyor at a steady feed rate. That is all off-the-shelf kit for aggregates extraction workings.
Plant hire everywhere is obscene. I needed a 120 T mobile crane for one lift of 600kg but needed a big crane for the reach. Job took 1 hour. Min hire time 8 hours! They have you by the short and curlies!
In HK they where filling the old Tamar basin in, next to POW Barracks whilst I was there. Great view from the SR Mess bar on If I remember rightly the 22nd floor… They blocked off the entrance with piles and then brought in dredgers full of sand to fill in the basin. They literally just blew the stuff out of the boat into a pipe into the basin. Didnt even bother with draining it.
Left it to settle and then piled it and built a mega skyscraper on it ( after I had left)
That was pretty much what I had in mind.
I’m guessing the sand was dredged and then blown in. Trouble is the number of places where you can dredge sands and gravels is limited.
So I guess they are using recycled aggregates. That is another scam.
Really BAE should be being paid for providing a disposal site for certified inert waste….doubt it is working like that as so much will be needed they will be paying as they need to attract it from a wide radius.
I thought they did similar when building Devonshire Dock Hall???
They have started already? That is amazingly quick! I look forward to seeing the progress in six months!
Must be a war on.
There is, but the idea of this build hall was in existence well before Putin invaded Ukraine.
Sure.
But a real large war does add urgency to things.
There will be plenty of people in Main Building tasked with sorting things out for the Ukranians or backfilling stocks and stores. That energy of action is contagious.
Just a (bad) joke dude.
Progress.
Umm dimensions have changed from first reported. They were 175 x 85m. Still smiling though. At least RN/MoD will have plenty of wiggle room when it comes to dimensions of Type 83. Latest news on Hunter class from Oz is ‘interesting’
‘Defence chiefs warn A$45bn warships could be outgunned by enemies’
Quote ‘Defence Chiefs’ become ‘Defence Officials’ in first part then revealed to be Australian National Audit Office officials halfway through. Good to know journalism standards in Australia are as high as they are over here. 😎
Well
“could be outgunned by enemies”
Anything could be outgunned by theoretical enemies.
Can’t be the Russians they are worried about as the chances of them getting round to AUS are close to zero. So the only defence you would need against the Russian fleet would be the ability to tow the wrecks away.
I do wonder how much of the Chinese mentions are based on Russian tech? The Chinese were definitely trying to steal Russian tech so it does make me wonder how they would actually fare IRL.
THB I do think the electronics in the Chinese weapons will be much better than in the Russian Radio Shack / School Science Club efforts we have all seen the guts of.
I think the events of the last year have shown we have no reason to fear and China has no reason for confidence in Russian tech. You’re right I suspect China should be far more of a concern. They were handed more US tech secrets under George W. Bush than the Soviets managed to steal in 40 years. They have had to work for western tech since then especially to be fair to him since Trump was elected in 2016. But there attempts are ongoing including in our universities.
Wot no solar panels. How very last year. 😅
in Glasgow??
Should be building covered dry docks could still build but wold be able to save on seperate float off and be able to carry out refit work
Other than the single alternative at Rosyth build and refits are done separately these days. To be fair most of the refit work doesn’t need a dry dock so it is a wasted resource and they aren’t exactly cheap to build or maintain.
If you look at most modern yards for ships under 10,000 tons they build in a shed and wheel them out. Then it is a ship lift or barge.
Over 10,000 is a different story
Wheel and barge?
This is the future!
Transport ship carrier jump into water – YouTube
Perfect! thats the way to do it 😂
Just maybe add Sonar AFTER launch
Hard to get blocks built elsewhere into your dry dock.
Has anyone viewed the application on the Glasgow Council planning portal. I am not getting any joy.
Might not be there. The permission might have been handled by the MOD.
Ah. I just like looking at the plans of these applications. The Scotstoun application was brilliant.
Link to the Scotstoun application would be appreciated.
The link is: https://publicaccess.glasgow.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?previousCaseType=Property&keyVal=N6LFZ0EX0WY00&previousCaseNumber=00FZ16EXDT000&previousCaseUprn=906700343091&activeTab=summary&previousKeyVal=00OCQVEXDT000. The original cost to construct was 200 or 250 million pounds. Reasons for not building were reduction in Type 26 numbers and slower build rate. There are more plusses to building a Pallion type ship factory (still exsists) than minuses.From a BAE point of view, the minuses being an undercover ship factory with the undercover dry dock is more expensive to construct. The plusses for what BAE are building is it is cheaper and everything is on the same level for moving blocks around, but the Scotstoun facility had plenty of lay down area with emphasis on very high outfitting/fittingout capability. The other thing is a certain person wanted Govan and made the mistake of stating they could become competitors to BAE if BAE went for the single shipyard option (Scotstoun). BAE don’t own Govan, but they do own Scotstoun. Let me know if that link does not work.
Thank you very much.
You’re welcome.
I might have some left over paint in my shed if Glasgow Council still want that green roof. Might also be able to donate some hardcore ….😉😀
Sure if it’s any colour it should be Navy Blue!
So ship four could be started this summer, as its been every 2 years. Does this mean ship 4 will start 6 or so months later?
Are they going to get rid of that old slipway too? , seems pointless now they have the ro-ro to barge launch, and they could do with the extra space to maneuver the sections of the large ships they are building.
Already discussed above 👆
The weight implications of a ‘green roof’ for a structure that has to have a very long span are surely obvious enough without having to conduct a detailed study? It annoys me that the City Council wants to waste time and resources on something so irrelevant when there is a clear and urgent need to deliver the capability.
they had a prefect shed at scotstoun ,were going to build state of art site but lied to scotstoun workers and ripped it down
Great operator but, by heavens, thank the heavens Sturgeon has gone. Can we move on for a generation now, please?
I admire your optimism.
Any RN? You have a young lad, dolphins up, name displayed travelling on an ex-Carlisle : London Avanti service in working rig circa 15:50.
Service personnel can travel in rig, but, aiui, not rig that compromises their Persec or Opsec.
He needs gripping.
Wow never was navy . I’m 60 now but I actually think I know what yr saying!!! 😅 . ‘ dolphins up ‘ ? Hmm cannot fathom that one out tho. Swidt ? 😉
He was wearing dolphins showing he is HM Submarines, not very clever IMHO when on a train from Glasgow… which is a stone’s throw from Faslane.