HMS Defender, a Type 45 Destroyer, has visited Cork in Ireland.

Local media reported that HMS Defender berted at “a rather strange place”, Marino Point.

HMS Defender returned to active service in April 2018 after a major 20 month long refit in Portsmouth.

HMS Defender was formally welcomed back into the fleet earlier in the year by Commodore Craig Wood, Commander of the Portsmouth Flotilla, after a series of trials to prove her upgrades was declared a success.

The Type 45 Destroyer received two new gas turbines, as well as new signals intelligence and surveillance equipment.

Commanding officer of HMS Defender, Commander Richard Hewitt, said:

“I am incredibly proud to have taken HMS Defender to sea for the first time in 18 months thanks to the hard work of Team Portsmouth, BAE Systems, and my ship’s company. With a number of major capability upgrades, HMS Defender is now the most capable Type 45 in the fleet.”

We recently reported that a contract to fully rectify issues within the Type 45 Destroyer fleet will be awarded in 2018, this was again confirmed in Parliament.
Asked by Flick Drummond, Member for Portsmouth South:
“To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, when he plans to award contracts for the Power Improvement Project for the Type 45 destroyer class.”
Answered by: Harriett Baldwin, Parliamentary Under-Secretary for the Ministry of Defence:

“On current plans, we anticipate that the Ministry of Defence will be able to award the contract for the Power Improvement Project for the Type 45 Destroyer class in early 2018.”

In 2015, the Ministry of Defence acknowledged that the vessels propulsion system, specifically, the Northrup Grumman intercooler was experiencing reliability issues, previously reported as nothing more than “teething troubles”.

A staggered refit was also announced, which will involve cutting into the ships’ hulls and fitting additional diesel generation capacity, this has become known as Project Napier.

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Geoffrey Roach

Great looking capable ships. I wish we had another six.

andyreeves

if we could find billions for the carriers then the money could,should be found for more t45’s.destroyers are a must for any navy, it was yet another political betrayal when the original plan for 12 type 45’s was slashed to six.

Callum

It’s even funnier and more tragic that destroyers 7 and 8 were cancelled to bring the T26 programme FORWARD. This current 18 year build for 8 ships somehow isn’t the worst case scenario.

On a more considered note, looking at available funds we could’ve spent the QEC project fund (£6.2bn) on either the 2 carriers or the final 6 T45s (just over £1bn apiece). Now the T45s are overall great ships, but completely giving up carrier capability? Not worth it

andyreeves

I’D SOONER HAVE SEEN ASTUTE MONIES DIVERTED TO T 45’S 1 ASTUTE FOR THE COST OF 14 CONVENTIONAL SSK SUBMARINES? I KNOW WHICH I’D PREFER

Callum

Where exactly are you getting 14 SSKs for ~£1.4bn?

I’m assuming they’re tiny little things with severely limited speed, range, and endurance. Good for coastal defence in littoral waters, extremely unsuitable for a blue water fleet like the RN. As much as the Astute class have suffered from increased costs and technical issues, they’re still first class boats.

andyreeves

THE WHOLE T26 PROGRAMME HAS BEEN SHAMBOLIC. IT TOOK AGES FOR THE FIRST NUT AND BOLT ONE OF THEM SHOULD HAVE BEEN DUE IN SERVICE NEXT YEAR, BUT AT THE PACE THE CLYDE TURNS OUT SHIPS IT’LL BE YEARS YET. I THINK TOO MUCH IS BEING BANKED ON THE T31E BEING A SUCCESS.

Fedaykin

Your caps-lock is jammed on, I thought you might want to know…

Pete

Govt has slowed delivery schedule… Not Clyde.

Hey check out the Australian order for French subs… No order actually issued yet… Negotiations ongoing.. Local resources a problem and use of sole Naval Group global arrangements causing angst… 32 months after selection announced!

andyreeves

as a balance to that, its not long ago that the giant uss j.f.k was on hold at the inactive ships facility at bremerton, availaBle for DONATION OR AS A MUSEUM. GETTING THAT WOULD STILL HAVE GIVEN THE U.K A CARRIER, BUT IT WOULD ALSO MEANT THAT THE U.K WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN HOG TIED TO THE F 35.

andyreeves

thanks fed the caps lock key had flicked off my keyboard, cheers anyhoo!

Darren

That 6.2 billion was caused by other factors, design changes fro m big to little back to big, general delays and then slowing the build down adding huge amounts to what was and still is a great achievement. Real cost, far less extra cost caused by non shipbuilders!

Jack

It’s certainly been a successful year for the Royal Navy. Notwithstanding some isdues.

https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/amongst-a-series-of-good-news-stories-royal-navy-ship-numbers-to-be-increased/

andyreeves

WHY GO TO CORK? ITS AN UTTER DUMP. THE WHOLE ISLAND IS STUCK IN THE 1970’S!

captain P Wash.

Caps Locks mate !

andyreeves

cheers skipper.

Fedaykin

No it isn’t Cork is a lovely place and Ireland is certainly not stuck in the 1970’s.

Not for 40 years anyway !

Nath

Certainly not! They’ll be terminating babies and marrying any Tom, Dick and Harry like every other modern, “civilized” nation soon. And when I say civilized, I actually mean barbarous. But that’s just another sign of a great modern country, good is bad, bad is good, truth is fake and news is opinion. God bless Marie Stopes and the 8 million British foetal corpses since 1967, along with the abuse scandals in Rotherham, Rochdale, Huddersfield, Newcastle, Derby and surely others – I feel a radiant glow of joy and inner peace at how enlightened, free and compassionate we are. Surely Ireland… Read more »

Steve Taylor

They can’t swap GT’s up through the uptake can they?

andyreeves

there is that facility, although a lot more has to be done, before it is done, i was on birmingham, way back on the old type 42, in mombasa we changed BOTH IN 14 HOURS!

Steve Taylor

I appreciate that the GT’s in T45 are a bit large. But it was one of the ‘selling points’ of GT that an engine swap could be performed. Obviously not very in steam ship due to the size of the turbines and the uptake won’t be as large; GT uptakes are voluminous. Though I think it is a disposal razor solution really because steam plant was quite tough, GT’s are quite fragile so you would most likely have a need to swap them. I have never seen any video or photos of the evolution on YouTube. In Birmingham was it… Read more »

andyreeves

oly’s and tynes, the olympus was the easiest as it was more accessible to get at pipework in the recess’ behind it

Harry Nelson

You haven’t lived until you’ve done an engine change at sea…… 😉

Levi Goldsteinberg

Let fly the missiles cap

andyreeves

arm fasers!!what is the latest with dragonfire?

keithdwat

are they aware there is an actual naval base they can stop at nearby???

David Owen

I’m sure there are historical reasons for avoiding that image

andyreeves

i suppose they could squeeze into londonderry after a short chug up to the north or the dublin ferryport.

andy reeves

i thought it was a ferry terminal.

Helions

Glad to have them on our side.

Cheers!

Steven

“She had berthed in a rather strange place”, is that a polite way of suggesting she had broken down or suffered some other kind of technical difficulty ?

Spyinthesky

I think you can see from the video that it looks planned for whatever reason that location might be, though no explanation of what’s meant by ‘strange’ is given so difficult to say what they mean.

andy reeves

in a strange place, the whole town of cork is a strange place!

andy reeves

cork is a strange place

sparky42

Nah, Marino Point is the old Fertilizer plant, it’s now owned by Port of Cork. As to why, the Cruise liner pontoons we’re up river for Winter so she couldn’t moor in Cobh at the Deep Water, so had to go to Marino instead (also most likely due to ease of control).

Cam Hunter

I wish they had a anti submarine capability instead of having to rely on the 8 frigates and its helicopter in a future task group…. The Italian and french New destroyers have torpedo tubes ect, would we have had them if we stayed in that project? Why are the horizon class are air defence frigates! And not destroyers like the type 45?

Frank62

I think it’s just that the French choose to term them as frigates. Given that the term “Destroyer” comes from the advent of “Torpedo boat destroyer” in the late C19th & todays frigates & destroyers are the size of WW2 light cruisers, it’s a bit academic.

Only 8 fully ASW capable escorts is outrageous when most of our trade comes & goes by sea. Just 7 Astutes too is a small contribution to that. With AIP we could build a new class of conventional AIP subs to beef up our hunter-killer fleet.

Nigel Collins

And still, HMG fail to adequately invest in our armed services.

British army chief: Russia ‘far bigger threat than IS’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46327046

Steve Taylor

Scary.

And I don’t mean the Russians.

andyreeves

they are investing, its just mainly on the wrong stuff

BB85

There must be cheaper alternatives to having ASW frigates. The T26 represents a best of the best approach. I read somewhere the R2 was designed to be quieter than the amizonas class and can carry a containerised towed sonar.

Steve Taylor

No. Not the same.

andyreeves

astute at£1.4 billion or 14 gotland type conventional ssk’s at£100,000 each, i know what i’d sooner have.

captain P Wash.

Any Sub built for £100,000 would be either Brilliant or Crap. but having 14 would be great, 140 even better.

Steve Taylor

Not exactly like for like.

captain P Wash.

Nope, not for £100,000 !

andyreeves

SWEDEN BUILT THE GOTLAND CONVENTIONAL SUBMARINE THAT ‘SUNK’ THE U.S FLEET…(GOOGLE SMALL CHEAP SUBMARINE SINKS U.S NAVY).IT WAS BUILT AT A COST OF£100 MILLION the yanks were so impressed, they leased it,to see how to find it!

Steve Taylor

Nomenclature changes from country to country. There was a time when only frigates received a T designation. I don’t think T45 are escorts really but a special type / HVU.

Callum

The type system is pretty much defunct now. The Type 4X designation was for AAW frigates, but they were rebranded as destroyers with the introduction of the T42s. The Type 8X was originally for general purpose ships like the Type 82 destroyers, but seeing as the T31s are being shoehorned into the ASW numbering system instead of being the T83s, it’s safe to assume the approach is now “40 is a destroyer”

andyreeves

indeed , some countries designate corvettes as frigates and others, like pakistan called their type 21’s destroyers. maybe with a gun on the pointy end of a river class or armament given to the sigma 10514 corvette, 20 feet longer,8 knots faster, two triple torpedo launchers, exocet, two quad anti air launchers and a 76mm oto melara gun could see the rivers designated’light frigates. it certainly shows what can be done with platforms the size that they are.

andy reeves

i’ve never understood why ship haven’t been built with torpedo tubes like a sub has can’t just be an oversight can it?

Henry

I think they would be better of with​ a couple of dozen TLAM like the Arley Burks, considering the fact that their is moor likelihood of them being used in actual combat .

Nigel Collins

F.Y.I

You can be sure we are actively improving this capability!

“According to BAE Systems, Sampson features excellent detection of
stealth aircraft and missiles.”

https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_pdf.cfm?DACH_RECNO=904

Rob N

Is this an old picture? If she has had the SSEE SIGINT upgrade There should be a box structure halfway up the mast. Also the CIWS appears to have been stolen….

I would like to see the T45 with at least a simple towed sonar. Also more VLS 12 strike length for ABM use.

It appears that only a missile software upgrade is needed to turn the ASTER 30 mod 0 into the mod 1 as ussed in the land based one that is ABM capable. Why have we not done this simple upgrade?

Rob

Steve Taylor

Replacing MFS-7000 with something more capable would be a better option.

Some chap here a few weeks ago said that T45 aren’t as noisy as commonly believed. But he never said how he knew…….then again sometimes we shouldn’t confess what we know……. 🙂

ABM is something we should look towards.

Gunbuster

Why is there a fixation on giving everything a tail to make it ASW capable.
It has Medium frequency Sonar that is on par (ish) with T23 S2050.
You dont need a tail to do ASW.

Patrick O'Neill

Is this article about HMS Defender visiting Cork or about the T45 refit programme? Bit confused.

Felix

Checking out invasion routes to prevent the back stop.

Steve Taylor

This blog would improve if it just concentrated on aeroplanes and land forces. Or just didn’t open comments for naval announcements.

captain P Wash.

Mate, It would be really Boring though. And, Us Navy Types would have to find somewhere else to frequent.

Helions

Huh?

Deer in the headlight look…

Daniel

I don’t think it’s aimed at you 🙂 The capitalised ‘u’ is a typo, as in the word “us” to refer to himself and others on this site who have served at sea.

captain P Wash.

Yes Daniel, I was replying to the comment posted by Steve Taylor.

Helions

I KNOW THAT!!! 😀 – It was a feeble (OK -very) attempt at that humor that the captain was talking about earlier! 😀 I’m just going to stick to good old Monty from now on…

Lord, I must be getting to be the stuffy fuddydud my son tells me I am. By the way, on a personal note, he tested for his Black Belt in TaeKwonDo yesterday in Seoul. Start to finish all the belts in less than 9 months. Pretty good!

Cheers!

Daniel

As somebody with a slight light blue bias, even I have to agree that without the naval news this blog would get pretty dull.

farouk

Whilst nothing to do with the HMS Defender, here’s a wee video of a F35 crabbing onto HMS Queen Elisabeth
https://twitter.com/EAFergusonFCO/status/1064604149243936768

David E Flandry

At least put 2 double torpedo tubes on the T45.

Nigel Collins

Would we be able to protect our carriers?

“Hypersonic missiles: What are they and can they be stopped?
The US, China and Russia are racing to develop hypersonic missiles – a missile system so fast no modern defence system can stop it. Here is a rundown of current and future projects.”

https://www.defenceiq.com/defence-technology/news/hypersonic-missiles-what-are-they-and-can-they-be-stopped

Rob N

It depends – ASTER 30 (land) is capable against short range ABMs and they are Mach 5. It shot down a Black Sparrow target. ASTEr 30 has also shot down a See skimming target drone at Mach 3.5. So sea Viper in theory should be good against Mach 5 hypersonics. Although its performance is Secret. It might be able to take out faster missiles however it would depend on how agile the attacking missile is and how agile ASTER is…. it is likely ro be the best SAM in terms of stopping ASMs… The West is working on lasers to… Read more »

David Branney

Correct, As the speed of the missile increases so does its turning circle etc due to the significantly higher induced g forces placed on the airframe. The missile will not be able to jink around like the sub-sonic anti ship missiles as it closes with the ship. If they tried this manoeuvre it would rip off the flight controls and most likely cause catastrophic damage to the main body of the missile. So, in some respects the missile’s trajectory becomes very predictable, much like a ballistic missile. From a defensive standpoint it is all about early detection, the T45s have… Read more »

andyreeves

a land ceptor parked on the QE FLIGHT DECK GOOD IDEA?

Frank62

It is essential to get a UK ABM system up & running asap. Without one the UK is an easy target to hypersonic misssile attack, unless USN & other Nato ABM Standard equipped warships lend a hand. If Russia escalates the Ukraine conflict by keeping up blockading the sea of Azov as it is currently doing in violation of existing bi-lateral treaties, trouble in eastern Europe could be with us a long while.

Helions

The USN ABM capable destroyers stationed at Rota are a good start for NATO – to include the UK obviously – however, a sovereign ABM system in the league of the Aegis Ashore program would be a very good idea in the years to come.

Cheers!

andyreeves

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/21139/british-armys-new-land-ceptor-sam-system-blasts-its-first-aerial-target park one one on thQ.E FLIGHT DECK? AS LONG AS I DON’T HAVE TO PAY A PARKING TICKET FOR 6 MONTHS!!