The deployment of the French state-of-the-art MAMBA weapons system and an air defence command post to Romania is designed to “augment NATO’s Integrated Air and Missile Defence” said the Alliance.

The MAMBA surface-based air and missile defence system is operated by the French Air and Space Force as a theatre antimissile system to protect tactical sites against airborne threats, including cruise missiles, tactical ballistic missiles, manned and unmanned aircraft. The system’s main components are the Aster 30 interceptor missile and the Arabel multi-function radar. MAMBA can operate in an electronic warfare environment and is interoperable with other NATO air defence systems.

“In a collective effort, several Allies are providing both fighter aircraft and missile systems for an increased defensive posture on the eastern flank following Russia’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. With the deployment of a surface-to-air missile defence system to Romania, France has further increased its forward footprint in support of NATO’s enhanced vigilance towards potential threat from the East.”

Besides the French deployment to Romania, Germany and the Netherlands have deployed PATRIOT batteries to Slovakia and the United States sent two PATRIOT batteries to Poland in April 2022.

“The French MAMBA deployment shows France’s capacity and will to protect her own interests as well as those of her Allies,” said Colonel Pascal Ianni, French Chief of Defence Staff spokesperson.

“It permits to reinforce the strategic partnership that has united France and Romania since 2007, especially in the field of air defence. The MAMBA deployment is firmly embedded in the multinational Forward Presence Battle Group which France, supported by the Netherlands and Belgium, established in Romania under NATO’s aegis.”

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Quentin Drury
Quentin Drury
1 month ago

Aster 30 on a truck. Why can’t the UK have the same and share missile inventory with the RN? Are there any further updates on SkySabre or CAMM-ER for GBAD for UK ports, bases, critical facilities?

Chris Brooks
Chris Brooks
1 month ago
Reply to  Quentin Drury

Hear, hear.

Quentin Drury
Quentin Drury
1 month ago
Reply to  Chris Brooks

And thanks for your vote Chris! 🇦🇺 🇬🇧

Suportive Bloke
Suportive Bloke
1 month ago
Reply to  Quentin Drury

To protect against what? Missile attack or air attack? If you are defending against cruise missiles it would be CAMM that was needed in a quantity with a localised auto cannon solution like the 40mm. If you are defending against planes with medium range standoff weapons you need A30 but given the range of A30 you don’t need them at every base or facility just overlapping rings of coverage. I am not sure how the CAMM-ER version would help with static defence as it is more expensive and doesn’t have the range to reach the firing point of the stand-off… Read more »

Quentin Drury
Quentin Drury
1 month ago

Hi SB, Thanks for above and I agree that threats will vary, could be air, sub surface, sea and even space. You choose and place the system for the anticipated threat. It’s just that the UK doesn’t seem to have any protection of its naval ports, let alone its airbases and radar facilities. All those assets and people potentially exposed. The UK is such a small country surrounded by sea and I’d imagine as we have so few subs available, small number of P8s and drones that not all areas/UK approaches could always be covered adequately plus, there’s the real… Read more »

Quentin Drury
Quentin Drury
1 month ago
Reply to  Quentin Drury

typo…INHO…IMHO

Chris Brooks
Chris Brooks
1 month ago
Reply to  Quentin Drury

Defence against missile attack seems like a good idea to me given the current state of affairs.

Quentin Drury
Quentin Drury
1 month ago
Reply to  Chris Brooks

Besides GBAD I’d like to see a couple more Astutes in the fleet so there’s a good number at sea to keep a very good eye on Russian subs, our undersea cables and especially those nasty sounding Poseidon nuclear drone carrying subs. I hope they’re watched extremely closely and maybe they might blow up in their home ports and give them a taste of their own creation!

Rob N
Rob N
28 days ago
Reply to  Quentin Drury

Unlike France and Italy the UK has just ignored home defence. Sky Sabre is intended for defending the army. We have no UK SAM system. As we are getting ASTER 30 block 1 for the T45 (the same missile as used in the French system above), we should land base a few batteries to protect key locations. We should also upgrade Sky Sabre with CAAMM ER and buy some extra to supplement UK air defence. The UK government appears to think the UK mainland will never face a conflict again… this view of the world appears entirely driven by trying… Read more »

John Hartley
John Hartley
1 month ago

I think the UK has a need to defend against Iskander & even evolved Scud type ballistic missiles. The improved version of SAMP-T due in 2027 would be ideal for that. Existing versions are 500m euro a battery. UK only needs 2-3 batteries. Not a fortune in the grand scheme of things.

Martin
Martin
1 month ago
Reply to  John Hartley

Hear hear

Jonno
Jonno
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin

In 1922 we urgently need to thinking out of the box to which we seem trapped regarding defending the Home Base. Imagine if we thought like we do now in 1940. Britishers- for you ze war is over. OK!
Maybe neither the defence arms wants the job. Over to you RAF time to step up on a historic basis. The Navy does the nuclear deterrent.

Jonno
Jonno
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonno

2022, sorry about that!!

Neil Pattison
Neil Pattison
24 days ago
Reply to  Jonno

Oops, I think I may have accidentally red flagged you. Fat fingers problem, my apologies

Martin
Martin
1 month ago

Ukraine has made clear that ballistic missile defence is now essential to conducting an operation. It’s a capability the UK must poses on land and sea.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
1 month ago
Reply to  Quentin Drury

Sky Sabre started entering service last year with the Royal Artillery. Given we are integrating CAMM with the RN’s Sea Viper system I would think it is entirely possible to integrate the Aster 30 with the Sky Sabre system. My only question would be if the Girraffe Radar can operate with the Aster 30 or if there would need to be any software changes to allow the radar to provide the data uplink..!

Cheers CR

Martin
Martin
1 month ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

No it needs a different radar, more along the same SAMPSON radar fitted to T45, France and Italy use pretty much the same radar for their SAMP T as they use on their Horizon class frigates just land based. We could buy there’s or develop our own from SAMPSON.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
28 days ago
Reply to  Martin

Hi Martin,

I do wish we had used the a land based SAMPSON with a view to integrating Aster 30 later as it would allow on going development of what is a very good radar. Although it would have been much more expensive initially it would have proved cost effective over several progammes for which SAMPSON and its potential future derivatives would / could be applied T83 destroyer being top of that list.

Cheers CR

Ron
Ron
27 days ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Morning CR, not sure about SAMPSON however, as a fixed radar yes but for mobility its a bit big. If I understand correctly ARTISAN share a lot of the capability of SAMPSON. If that is correct then possibly that is the way to go. That would though give limited range. The Dutch seem to be using the SMART-L MM for mobile land based air defence. So I suppose we could go in a few diffrent directions for example give RAF bases in the UK the same radar suite as the carriers and a fixed ASTER 30 battery, or mobile radars… Read more »

Daveyb
Daveyb
1 month ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Yes, both CAMM and Aster are radar agnostic. It only needs a radar to illuminate a target for the combat management system (CMS) to work out the interception. The CMS is the key thing here, so long as it is fed with reliable data that it can read, it can work out the interception point, but also give course correction updates. As soon as Aster or CAMM gets in range of the target, its on board active radar takes over the guidance to the target. The Arabel radar is OK, its on par with the Artisan radar. It is a… Read more »

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
1 month ago
Reply to  Daveyb

Thanks for the good info on your post too DB.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
28 days ago
Reply to  Daveyb

Thanks Daveb, helpful as always mate.

Cheers CR

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
1 month ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Hi CR, just finding some time to reply to the replies. I really like the idea of Sky Sabre Giraffe capability supporting both CAMM/Aster 30, even as a mix, for a GBAD.
Do you reckon the MOD would be interested?… Lol 😁

DaveyB
DaveyB
28 days ago
Reply to  Quentin D63

It has been mentioned before. The fire units of the Sky Sabre use a datalink that is either Link-16 based or similar. The MoD have mentioned an intra-operability between say a T45 and a Sky Sabre battery. They haven’t gone into details, clearly. But it’s likely that radar target data can be sent between the two units allowing an interception solution to be worked out. Whether this means that one unit can control the other’s missiles is debatable. It’s more likely that continuously updated radar data can be sent to the shooter, for it to update the course correction. This… Read more »

Rob N
Rob N
28 days ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Agree, a combines CAAMM ER and ASTER 30 system would be optimal – however we need some of these systems for the UK. We need to defend key military sites and cities.

I think the French have 10 of the land ASTER systems we should buy at least the same.

Put one in the Falklands, one protecting our nuclear sub base, one protecting our ICBM warning site, London, Glasgow, Birmingham, Cardiff, one in NI….

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
28 days ago
Reply to  Rob N

Hi Rob, I have been thinking about our lack of effective Air Defences for a few years and I agree entirely with your list of sites. I would give those weapons to the RAF Regiment as the RAF is obviously lead service for UK AD duties. However, I would give the Royal Artillery some extra systems as well and give them the lead in defending deployed forces. All systems would be mobile. We haven’t had SAM’s defending the UK since Bloodhound left service in 1991, although most of them were in fixed installations there was one mobile squadron with its… Read more »

Rob N
Rob N
27 days ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Yes it is time to take air defence seriously. We need UK systems not just to protect the UK but to free up T45 for what it was designed for carrier defence.

I do not know why we just abandoned UK SAM air defence after Bloodhound… especially when other NATO and European countries have SAMs.

Martin
Martin
1 month ago
Reply to  Quentin Drury

Same reason why we are always missing cool stuff with strategic capability we leave it to the USA to provide.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin

cool stuff with strategic capability”

SSN? SSBN/Trident? Rivet Joint? UKSF? C17? The RFA? GCHQ? Overseas bases bristling with antenna? GOSCC? DIFC? Pathfinder? F35s?/QEC?
All the Cyber/EW stuff you don’t read about but know is out there ( see GCHQ )
We don’t always miss cool stuff, and all of those could be called strategic.
We have a small stake in many many areas.

Martin
Martin
1 month ago

EO and SAR satellites, most nations in our weight class had these twenty years ago. SIGINT satellites (Zircon in the 80’s cancelled) our electronic warfare capability that’s so super secret that no one can actually tell you what it is outside of escort jamming pods. This is because it does not exist on a theatre level. Our complete inability to launch large scale precision strike to the point that we build Uber submarines and destroyers and don’t put a VLS on it and theatre level air defence. These are not including the capabilities that we gapped for decades and are… Read more »

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin

The capability of those satellites we get via UKUSA, though I agree we should have our own. The new mini sats coming for SpCom should help here. Zircon cost too much money, we pay NSA for one third of their satellites time. Strategic airlift we’ve had for years. Agree regards SEAD, CSAR we still lack despite the effort 42 have put into this, it’s very ad hoc with any spare CHF Merlin. I’m in agreement regards BM defence and a SAM capability for the UK homeland, as mentioned below. It is an area we need something more. Regards my earlier… Read more »

Martin
Martin
1 month ago

For sure GCHQ has some secret tech that can probably reset Putin’s alarm clock and turn all the traffic lights in Moscow purple but all branches of the armed forces have had a near complete lack of offensive EW capability for decades. Countries with massively smaller budget than ours like Australia and Israel can do this and we literally have some of the best tech in the world at Leonardo in Edinburgh while BAE (USA) does almost the entire US EW capability. It’s been embracing that the best we had was sky shadow pods. Praetorian is great but it’s a… Read more »

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin

Love the idea of “purple traffics lights”, hopefully pulsating too. 😄

JohninMK
JohninMK
1 month ago

At a more basic level we have potential problems with GPS. The link is to the Times yesterday.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTkAlTcVUAAV98L?format=jpg&name=large

Marked
Marked
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin

Agree 100%. For the amount of spending the UK has a ridiculous number of gaping holes.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Quentin Drury

Nope. 16 Regiment RA is to defend the Field Army on deployment. It could be dispersed around the UK instead and in some cases/exercises has been, such as G7 in Cornwall and the 2012 Olympics, but that leaves the army with just SHORAD.

And I agree with you, a home based SAM system with some BM capability too should be a priority.

Daveyb
Daveyb
1 month ago

That was once the job of the RAF, before they binned all the Bloodhounds.

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
1 month ago

There should be an opportunity to share Aster and CAMM between the RA and Navy. The French and Italians and Singaporeans must be doing exactly that with their Asters.

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 month ago
Reply to  Quentin Drury

So what do you cut to pay the billions for air defence missiles for the defence of U.K. home ports bases etc. typhoon? F35? Carriers? Type 26/31 New medium helicopter? Wedgetail? Half army numbers? Static targets are so easy to hit. Air defence network is always hit first. Mobile is the way to go. As with the olympics it can be set up on U.K. soil if needed. Nobody thinks the U.K. will be attacked and if it was a surprise attack the illusion that ground defence missiles would stop them all isn’t realistic. Some will get through. We must… Read more »

Bob
Bob
1 month ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

So what do you cut”

Nothing. We increase the defence budget, as we should have done five years ago.

Robert Blay.
Robert Blay.
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

Have you seen the rate of inflation or heard about the cost of living crisis? Big increases in defence spending are unlikely to come anytime soon when millions are struggling to pay for the gas bill. I’d love to see the defence budget go up, and we still might in the Autumn budget. But with the current financial situation, it’s not a good look for the government to splash out on new toys for the Armed Force’s when millions are struggling. That’s not what anyone whats to hear, but that’s the reality of politics.

Bob
Bob
1 month ago
Reply to  Robert Blay.

Nothing is as expensive as losing a major war.

Frank62
Frank62
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

Exactly. Look at the devestation in Ukraine. Our forces are way too small & ill equipped(glaring gaps). We need more wealth going into investment in the UK rather than offshoring where it does little good.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

Yet the West’s and NATOs response to Ukraine has demonstrated we have far more resolve then many gave us credit for, especially Russia. China, like Russia has nothing to gain from all out conflict with the west, except economic ruin and isolationism from the rest of the world.

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
1 month ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

Yes much joint resolve in response which is fantastic to see and right. Greater defence capabilites prior might have prevented some of the sheer scale of the destruction.

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

Totally. Ukraine could have been very different if they had plenty of decent GBAD plus a bigger airforce.

Rob N
Rob N
27 days ago
Reply to  Robert Blay.

The FIRST duty of any government is defence of the realm. No one thought we would have a major war in Europe, yet here we are… the world is getting more dangerous and unpredictable not less. We must rake UK defence seriously. We are vulnerable to cruise missiles and ballistic missiles in the UK we need to close that gap.

Daveyb
Daveyb
1 month ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

With Iran getting more and more help from North Korea developing their ballistic missiles. It is only a matter of time before one of the nut job supporting factions, get their hands on one and launch it. Perhaps not at the UK directly but Cyprus is just within range of Iran’s medium range ballistic missiles, when launched from Yemen!

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 month ago
Reply to  Daveyb

I’m not against a defensive missile system just I see so much else that is needed more than U.K. protection. Say £10 billion to set a up a limited U.K, Cyprus system that could hopefully catch 10-20 ballistic missiles Fired at once. What if the enemy launch 50 or 500. Then if they are fixed, massive long range radars/missiles they are the first targets. To have shorter range smaller systems you have to intercept nearer their intended targets and that is more difficult and needs more systems. I’d rather that cash got spent on ship board defence, fighters, more mobile… Read more »

Rob N
Rob N
27 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

A Sky Sabre system with ASTER 30 1NT and CAAMMs ER could be mobile – not fixed and still do the job.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

All true. I used to hold your position as obviously the MoD/DIS did with their threat assessment making it a very low priority compared to our expeditionary capabilities.

Now, I’m not so sure and feel greater emphasis in this area is required.

It need not be a fixed installation like rows of Bloodhound, just more Land Sceptre that cam relocate.

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 month ago

Oh yes I’m for more mobile air defence, land ceptor, starstreak etc and drone defence. cover will be essential to all areas of troop deployment in the future.
My main point about the U.K. protection is people seem to think u put a Sam down and are safe. It can’t catch everything. Even to try and catch all threats over multiple locations would cost a lot.

John Hartley
John Hartley
1 month ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Cut all the politically correct non-jobs in government, plus their gold plated pensions.

Bob
Bob
1 month ago
Reply to  John Hartley

Gold plated pensions ended years ago.

John Hartley
John Hartley
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

Well that is relative. In comparison to most private sector pensions now, the public sector is still gold plated & unaffordable in projections going forward a couple of decades.

Bob
Bob
1 month ago
Reply to  John Hartley

If you mean “Guaranteed to receive one” then yes, but they can and have changed the terms mid contract.

Rudeboy
Rudeboy
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

And how many ‘politically correct non-jobs’ are there….

How about we just clamp down hard on tax evasion instead and make sure everyone pays a fair rate…

Bob
Bob
1 month ago
Reply to  Rudeboy

I assume you are referring to tax avoidance rather than evasion? The tax man is very hot on tax evasion.

Rudeboy
Rudeboy
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

No HMRC are not ‘Hot’ on tax evasion…

Investigation and enforcement teams have been cut back drastically, despite the fact that they collect many times more tax than their costs..

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
1 month ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

There should be areas where shared missile inventory across RA and Navy could be expanded. Land and sea bases radars would be different but should have some ability to interface with the same missile types. There’s always land, sea, air and space radar/satellite coverage going on and I imagine this Intel is then fed and shared on down the line where needed. Sorry for my inexperience with terminology and lack of technical knowledge here. Sure hope there’s enough Sky Sabre systems to go around for the UK. I know we talked about this before but is there any definite numbers… Read more »

Shaun
Shaun
1 month ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

“ So what do you cut to pay the billions” how about the Civil Service? For starters.

Rob N
Rob N
27 days ago
Reply to  Shaun

The Civil Service has had real terms pay cuts for decades and will probably get 2% this year so the idea of a smug overplayed sector is just not the case.

Shaun
Shaun
26 days ago
Reply to  Rob N

Yes I can understand that, however it was more the size of the organization rather than its pay scales that I was implying could be drastically pruned.

Mark Forsyth
Mark Forsyth
1 month ago

I got a bit confused there for a moment. I saw Mamba, and my immediate thought was “Counter Battery Radar”.😀

Levi Goldsteinberg
Levi Goldsteinberg
1 month ago

Took them long enough. France’s inaction and attempted appeasement of Russia has been thoroughly humiliating, doubly so given their reputation

Ian M
Ian M
1 month ago

Manger du fromage singes d’abandon?

James
James
1 month ago

Night and day difference between before his re-election and after.

The silence after is deafening.

Frank62
Frank62
1 month ago

Having taken Russian donations our government hardly has the high ground.

Martin
Martin
1 month ago

CAMM and sky Sabre is probably the worlds best mid range system but it’s a crime that the UK has never had a theatre level capability and with modern precision guided ballistic missiles no army will be able to fight even a mid level player without ABM capability. We cannot continue to be in the position on leave it all to America. We either need to develop our own system, get involved and buy SAMP T with block II aster and NT or buy THAAD from the USA.

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin

Indeed it’s a bit late to trade the ‘oh well it will never happen so let’s not bother and save the money’ excuse. Ironic that even France with its endless cosying up to Putin policy still feels it’s needed while we who are happy to tug on the bear’s tale seem to think it’s not.

Jonathan
Jonathan
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin

Thaad is probably to limited from the U.K. point of view, any balistic missile fired at the U.K. will probably be outside of Thaads capability. In reality the best system out there which is not GMD ( which cannot afford) is the SM3 as that can defeat intermedia range missiles, Aster NT is an option but SM3 has the better engagement envelope.

Martin
Martin
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Sure a SARMAT launched from Siberia at the UK is going to be outside of THAAD capability however a big fat liquid filled ICBM’s in Siberia will be the first thing the US Pacific based trident subs launch on. Russia has a limited number SLBM’s most of which would be close to the UK at launch so may well be an intermediate ballistic missile profile or each of those SSBN may have an astute or Virginia right behind it. The Russians have 2 SSBN on station at best. Russias number one concern would be hitting as much of the USA’s… Read more »

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin

Would their SSBN be close to the UK at launch?

Depends what one defines as close, I believe they spend most of their time under the arctic in the far N east which is why the Russian navy is most concerned with their bastion defence of the White and Kara seas.

Anyway, yes we need BM defence.

Martin
Martin
1 month ago

On a ballistic missile basis that’s relatively close to the UK. It’s potentially intermediate range anyway which is more interceptable , it may not go extra atmospheric. If Russia has two subs up there with 16 missiles each 32 total but it’s got to take out all of North America and Europe how many get targeted at the UK? I’m guessing 4 maximum current ABM systems would be useful against that level of threat. No chance against their heavy stuff coming in from Siberia but that may all be taken out by NATO counter strike and they will probably want… Read more »

JohninMK
JohninMK
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin

Just counting the Borie and -A there are 2 in the Northern and 3/4 in the Pacific Fleets so there are 5/6 for NA and E with 6-10 MIRV on each of the 16 per missiles. Assuming 2/3/6 that’s 480 warheads from which I suspect that we would be worth maybe 50+. Then there are the GLBM and goodness knows how many air launched or GLCM. Given the state of our Civil Defence, after its cuts, the lucky ones will be those vapourised on impact. Even the ground based ABM shield the US has in Alaska is limited, offering no… Read more »

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

No matter the comment the continuous snide little remarks you insert (thinking it’s clever) against a capability of the west, regardless the subject matter, and trying to big up one of the Nazi Russia capabilities is so common it’s sad! Anyway any condemnation of Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine yet Putin poodle!

Daveyb
Daveyb
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Both THAAD and SM6 are getting a larger diameter 1st stage section. This is to boost the engagement altitude to over 120,000ft, where the hypersonic glide vehicles are supposed to operate. The guesstimated maximum height is around 160,000ft. Any higher and they will need reaction jets to control their intercept direction. SM3 has intercepted medium altitude orbital targets, which represent intercontinental ballistic missiles, before they release their re-entry vehicle payload. With the upgrade both SM6 and THAAD will be able to engage re-entry vehicles a lot higher, before they start doing bunt manoeuvres. SM3 can engage targets from just in… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan
1 month ago
Reply to  Daveyb

I would think the SM6/SM3 option would be best for the U.K. due to coverage ( we would need around 4 active Thaad systems to cover the key infrastructure sites). SM6 also has a anti shipping, Anti land attack capability which would be helpful with limited numbers of MK41 silos.

Daveyb
Daveyb
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Yes, I would argue the SM6 is the more versatile missile, due to its wider target set. Whereas THAAD has only be tested against ballistic targets (as far as I’m aware). Not forgetting SM6 is just a hot rodded SM2. The Aster BMD is very quietly been forgotten about. There hasn’t been any press releases for a couple of years. Perhaps they are finding it too complicated, i.e. to costly to develop? The main benefit THAAD has is its radar. The AN/TPY-2 is a beast of a radar. Being X-band it has a very high target resolution which is good… Read more »

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 month ago
Reply to  Daveyb

The navy must be listening as they are getting aster block 1 for type 45😂😂😂

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonathan

You could then even utilise the 2 MK41 spaces on the T45s for SAM 6 in combo with Aster and CAMM can go down the sides…as I like saying.. 😏

DaveyB
DaveyB
28 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Why, the clues in the name. Terminal high altitude area defence (THAAD). If the ICBM is following a mid orbital altitude, then it can’t intercept it, as it’ll be over well 200,000ft. However, once the ICBM has dispensed its MIRVs and these enter the upper atmosphere. THAAD can be launched to intercept them. It doesn’t matter if the missile is a SRBM, MRBM or ICBM, once the re-entry vehicles are within the atmosphere THAAD can intercept them. The monstrously powerful AN/TPY-2 X-band radar makes sure it tracks objects up to low earth orbit. The smaller X-band frequency will help the… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan
27 days ago
Reply to  DaveyB

Hi Davey, THAAD can engage short and medium range BM as well as possibly some of the shorter range intermediate range BM, but it cannot manage an intercept of the longer range Intermediate range weapons or ICBMs. It’s an almost impossible task to do a terminal intercept on these have a velocity of missiles 4.3 miles a second or Mach 21. It just not a realistic proposition to make that intercept, which is why the US has spend 10s billions on GMD and will be spending 10s of billions more…just to gain the ability to intercept a handful of ICBMs.… Read more »

DaveyB
DaveyB
27 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Hi Jon, I will have to disagree with you there. During the launch and boost phases, a ICBM can reach speeds up to Mach 15, once it has reached low earth orbit. Some may have another boost stage to push them high like Russia’s Satan II , but a lot of them only have a manoeuvring stage. So some top out at at terminal velocity of Mach 15. Those with the extra engine stage will go faster, as they climb to a higher lower earth orbit. These are the ones that can reach Mach 20. As the missile transits parallel… Read more »

AlexS
AlexS
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin

Well Germany said that they wanted Israel Arrow 3.

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin

With you Martin. We seem to like looking into the air and space around us with nothing much on land to shoot anything down with and sea based is limited in numbers but developing.

OldSchool
OldSchool
1 month ago

Oh. I’ve heard about these …when they detonate they spray the target aircraft with cheese…..it’s like France is sending a weapon to Ukraine to gain kudos but cheese doesn’t damage anything so it doesn’t upset the Russians……

Ian M
Ian M
1 month ago
Reply to  OldSchool

Manger du fromage singes d’abandon?

Frank62
Frank62
1 month ago
Reply to  OldSchool

Cheese? That has to grate.

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
1 month ago
Reply to  Frank62

That’s very cheesy 🧀

Bob
Bob
1 month ago

We could have installed shore-based SAMPSON and Aster 30’s years ago. It would have provided at least some protection for our long range radar sites, airfields and ports.

Coll
Coll
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob

Like they installed the land-based Aegis and VLS in Romania, Poland and Japan.

Last edited 1 month ago by Coll
Quentin D63
Quentin D63
1 month ago
Reply to  Coll

Yes, that could be an option linked in with Fylingdales and the rest of the UK radar network. Talk about a big fat target that is.

Bob
Bob
1 month ago
Reply to  Quentin D63

I’m not sure how “at-risk” Fylingdales is. An attack on that could be viewed as the first move of a pre-emptive nuclear strike; twitchy bum time all around.

dan
dan
1 month ago

I wonder if they first asked Putin if it was OK? lol

Daniel John Powell
Daniel John Powell
11 days ago

We should have this for land air defence with update aster 30 1NT which RN type 45 was also look for upgrade. It is Would be good replace our lost art long range SAM Zone “bloodhound mk2 should be mk3” at RAF (We need consider look at booster meteor lunch to common raf and RN as option) with Giraffe 8a or TPS 77radar for pair with these. Even with straight get sm6 for RN and land VLS With 4 layer protection with Sky Sabre short-medium and this should be called Sky claymore, medium-long range, even starstreak 2 & LMM as… Read more »

Last edited 11 days ago by Daniel John Powell