HMS Queen Elizabeth has welcomed the United States most senior marine, General David Berger.

Gen. David Berger became the Corps’ 38th commandant following a passage of command ceremony held at Marine Barracks in Washington in July.

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HMS Queen Elizabeth is currently carrying out flight trials with British and US Marine Corps F-35B jets.

In 2021, HMS Queen Elizabeth will deploy with two frigates, two destroyers, a nuclear submarine and support vessels.

Commodore Michael Utley, Commander United Kingdom Carrier Strike Group, is reported by Save The Royal Navy here as saying that HMS Queen Elizabeth will be escorted by two Type 45 destroyers, two Type 23 frigates, a nuclear submarine, a Tide-class tanker and RFA Fort Victoria.

The ship will also carry 24 F-35B jets, including US Marine Corps aircraft, in addition to a number of helicopters.

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It’ll be interesting to hear the comments from the first USMC F35B pilots that are embarked on the ship and use the ramp. They will probably do sim training and use the ramp at Pax River to get initially qualified. But having the ability to take-off with a full fuel load and weapons load, compared to when they operate off their flat deck mini carriers. It must start to raise some interesting questions? I know they have said they didn’t want their ships fitted with a ramp, as it limits the decks’s ability to park aircraft. The USMC are being… Read more »

Richard B
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Richard B

This is a really good question. All organisations need to learn and adapt. I’m sure the USMC will learn from the experience of operating from the Big Liz.

Cam
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Cam

Well the yanks did learn from us before, slanted deck.

John Pattullo
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John Pattullo

deck space is more important on the smaller ships the QE class is a lot larger and has 2 lifts – considering the costs i’m surprised the us hasn’t considered a ship like the QE – could get a couple of them for the cost of one ford class

andy reeves
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andy reeves

thenl lologically a folding wing aircraft should have been a priority when deciding how many aircraft should accommodate

Rokuth
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Rokuth

From the Tarawa Class onward, USMC Amphibious Assault Ships are over 40K Tons displacement and over 800ft in length. From the Wasp Class onwards, there are two lifts fitted on these ships. All of these ships were as big or bigger than the RN’s last conventional carrier, HMS Ark Royal. However, all of these ships are Assault ships first, and carriers second. The Harriers were there to provide ground support on these ships, but the priority was to moving Marines from ship to land. How the Marines operated their ships was doctrinally different from other navies. So the ski ramp… Read more »

Mr Bell
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Mr Bell

John for cost of Ford class carrier you could purchase 3 possibly 4 QE carriers.

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Spyinthesky

The last time we discussed this one major argument was that they didn’t want to lose landing slots. That’s not helped by the fact they have a Port lift already taking up substantial space whereas the Queen Liz has her two on the Starboard side which seems a far more logical layout keeping flying and non flying activities separated. Don’t know what other factors dictate this on the Americas, the workshop on the starboard side in front of the island hardly helps matters, though is being eliminated on the next ships any way, but these like the big carriers are… Read more »

mac
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mac

The USMC know all about the benefits of ski jumps for carrier takeoff’s, they were doing them for years with exchange pilots on the old carriers. They also know that US politics will stop them from ever being used on USMC platforms.

Rusty Nail
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Rusty Nail

I fully agree . It comes comes down to congress only approving 11 dedicated carriers and a ski jump on a wasp class would undermine the carrier lobby so that’s one major reason why it won’t happen

Helions
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Helions

Meanwhile the competition keeps growing. I DO wonder about the build quality of these vessels though. Meeting a production date at any cost can result in a LOT of defects – not referring to any OPVs run by a friendly power of course… 😀

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/11/article/chinas-amphibious-force-emerges/

Cheers!

Cymbeline
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Cymbeline

I’d say there is some truth in your question. I do remember boarding a Chinese made merchant vessel a few years ago, it was brand new but speaking to the Captain he said the owners would only keep it for about 10 years then get rid of it. The Capt was not very complementary about it.

Alan Reid
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Alan Reid

Looking at the body language in the picture, “We were proud to host the most senior @USMC Marine onboard this week, @CMC_MarineCorps” ……….. there is really no doubt as to who is the dominant partner in the relationship onboard between USMC and RN!

HopelessDiamond
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HopelessDiamond

Looks like he’s a little disgruntled about having his ear chewed off more like. RN aren’t very humble; all their social media posts look like over excited children have posted them. Embarrassing sometimes.

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

If im getting your meaning, then that is not good Alan! Just because we are close allies militarily HMS QE is our vessel and we should be in charge.
The chaps either side look frantic to please Big Daddy.

BIG D
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BIG D

I suppose it’s good that they are coming along on Lizzies first mission but if they start thinking that their giving the order’s then its time to remind them whose ship it is. As were not intended to go into a full blown conflict its more of a PR stunt anyhow. Because of the slow buy rates of the F35b we could still do it with our planes & generate a good rate of fire power within the carrier strike group.For what ever it might be used for in it’s initial mission

Jonathan
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Jonathan

He is a very senior officer (one of the most senior) of our closest ally. Our guys are far more junior senior officers. Body language is as you would expect ,they are not peers.

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

Yes that is fair comment.

Herodotus
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That’s an awful lot of deductions based on an instant of 1/100th of a second. In the next frame stoker Smiggins is giving the bunny sign behind the General’s head!

Grubbie
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Grubbie

What’s the story of Nimali Amaratunga Brearley? RIP appeared at the end of Britain’s biggest warship.