Misinformation spreads claiming ‘Nuclear submarine on fire in Scotland’

Quite. The decline of standards – never good at the bottom end of the market in truth – are now very widespread. Spelling? What’s that?

wow bunk beds one presumes like the ones I used to sleep on on holidays to Butlins when young. Can I make a claim for appealing neglect I wonder.

Makes you wonder how they coped with cramming themselves into leaky boats in France! If they really are fleeing life threatening persecution, then they are clearly safe in the camps. But of course they are not real refugees in the sense of the original definition. Under current UN widening of its own terms, if a civil war broke out in a half Shia half Sunni country, the entire population would be entitled to leave and claim asylum in a country of their choice. This is unsustainable insanity.Time to stop the compassion industry fleecing the UK taxpayer.

So not surprisingly The Guardian is more upset about refugees than about British soldiers…

I hope you don’t mean to imply it’s been over inflated, it is in fact the opposite is true as both the media and government have tried not to really explore some of the more than possible longer term outcomes and played out the lowest level immediate concerns so as not to distract.

If you did imply the risk has been over blown..I ask you to Please not post things like that, it puts people’s lives at risk and it disrespects the:

1)1 million+ who have died so far in this pandemic and the millions more who will die.
2) millions of health and social care workers around the world who have been battling this disease.
3) All the families and relatives of the above.

whatever you may think the outcome of this disease will be you are very likely wrong. It’s ten times more lethal than the flu and spreads around 3 times more quickly. Human immune systems have not yet evidenced any ability to have long term immunity to any of the many circulating covid viruses ( you get the same covid virus every year and call it a nasty cold) this one is likely no different it just kills by the millions in a year.

to put it in context the flu kills around 10,000 people in this country in a normal Year, bad flu years kill 20,000 and strains our health system to breaking point ( I worked bad years and it’s nasty)…this caused 60,000 excess deaths over a few months in the spring for FS, it’s a respiratory disease it goes away in late spring….and hits like the global killer it is in winter, we will be lucky if we end this year with anything less than 100,000 excess deaths and a heath and social care system buried under bodies.

but a few million dead over the next few years and a shattered global economy does not worry me, that’s a good outcome I can live with ( I’m very hard, I’ve probably seen well over a thousand people die from being ripped apart by trains, burnt or drowned, to young fit men I had looked after for a year crying their last looking like a withered hundred year old husk of a human, I know that one truth, we all die and it’s usually horrible).

The thing that really worries me is a more likely outcome, we get a vaccine that partially works ( remember that there are a seven distinct types and strains of human Coronavirus, with the first one identified in the 1960s, and we have developed exactly nil vaccines that worked for toffee ). So we get a sort of vaccine that gives some protection for a year or two, but probably does nothing for the elderly ( the reason we loss around 10,000 old people to flu, even with a national vaccination programme is that old immune systems are rubbish at turning a vaccine into a sustained immunity, what works for the young does little for the old, it’s why we moved the focus of our flu vaccine to children even though it does not really harm them, they get the best immunity and we reduce the amount and speed of spread).

This sort of vaccine programme will be an epic endeavour ( we are looking at a two dose vaccine at present, delivered over two weeks) for the world that’s 15 billion doses, probably every year needing hundreds of millions of health care professionals to stop what they are doing and start vaccinations. Looking at a likely outcome for the UK, Even with this if we take the flu as an example of a respiratory disease with a vaccine programme, (but knowing Covid 19 is ten times more deadly) we are going to see many tens of thousands of people die every year, with many hundreds of thousands hospitalised every year….this will stack on top of the flu…

we are possibly going to to have to see a complete reconfigurations of our health system:

1)to deliver a mass vaccination programme like nothing seen before every year or two ( we struggle to vaccinate all the at risk flu groups each year and would not at present have the infrastructure to deliver a flu vaccine programme for every person).

2) to move to a provide a massive acute respiratory disease service every winter ( remember that 10 time more deaths and hospital admissions than the flu).

3) develop a recovery/therapy services for all the once young fit people debilitated by post covid syndrome ( we are already trying to do this just from the small cohort of the population that got the disease in wave one.

if you think the lock down has cost us a lot just tot up what 150 million vaccines a year, staff to run the service, 10 times the number of acute respiratory admissions every year and ongoing rehab services are going to cost……it’s going to make a moon shot look cheap as chips.

I am very much afraid that that my 5 years of study, 3 healthcare related degrees and 25 years as a clinical and senior leader in health care is telling me this will not be the second disease in history that humanity manages to eradicate and that I will be working with it until I retire in a decade. I’m also thinking that it very may well be what kills me in my old age.

the third world lives with million of deaths each year due to infectious disease, in the west we sort of forgot what a scourge infectious disease is, but that’s only because or great great grandparents all the way to our grandparents died in their droves of infects diseases and changed everything about our society and spent a fortune over a few lifetimes to manage down the risk of most infectious diseases. Nature just gave us a kick and we are going to have to do the same over our lifetime.

I apologise to the wider group for ranting and I offer an apology if I miss understood the poster. But as someone who has spent the last 6 months working 50 hours a week to try and keep our health system ticking and saving lives and had a relative die young of the disease… I sort of both take people down playing Covid 19, very very personally and consider their attitude a risk to our county and my response a civic duty.

Even then, its something that is practiced… A LOT ! The RN has a bit of a thing about fires especially at sea, its right up there with keeping the water out of the bit that the people are in.

As flagged up, a ‘cold move’ happens fairly often, unlike the US, the UK drop the reactors from ‘A’ to ‘B’ when alongside so to move round from Fassers to Coulport its easier to lash a couple tugs on and run the diesels. I’m genuinely shocked that this has become a ‘story’, hey ho, the world we live in I guess.

I’d trust them far more than I’d trust the lie factories that are The Sun & Fox ‘News’

Best of three, five or seven?