Outrage has spread on Twitter with many sharing the news that Royal Navy frigates are to be constructed in France instead of Scotland, the problem is that the news is entirely false.


This article is a fact checking article, if you believe we’ve made an error you can submit a correction in line with our correction policy.


Misinformation is easily spread, the source of this isn’t only that people seem unable to read beyond the headline, it’s that the headlines can sometimes be misleading.

So bad was the mess caused by their headline, we had to write the following article.

“People have been sharing an article titled ‘French firm wins Royal Navy Type 31 frigates contract’ without actually reading it. The five Type 31 Frigates on order are being built at Rosyth in Scotland. The article from Plymouth Live, while having a bit of a ‘clickbaity’ headline, does go on to explain that the news relates to some components of the ship.

We covered this news in a less exciting way here, essentially, Thales as part of Babcock Team 31, has been selected to be the mission systems integrator for the Type 31 programme, delivering the combat system, communications systems and the navigation and bridge systems.”

No, the Type 31 Frigate is not going to be built in France

Now, in May 2021, their article has once again gone viral leading to responses like…

In addition to…

There are hundreds of tweets like the above and make no mistake, we’ve examined myths from both sides of the divide (including myths spread by the Conservatives) when it comes to shipbuilding in Scotland. You can read our article on that here.

The point of this article, I suppose, is to highlight that years after an article was published, years after a a response was offered detailing what’s actually happening people are still spreading misinformation.

We also published an article by Jonathan Chartier, a defence commentator working in Government and local government IT services, on the issues with the danger of politicising military shipbuilding in Scotland.

You can read his article by clicking here. 

The danger of politicising military shipbuilding in Scotland

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Steve Salt
Steve Salt
1 month ago

Check out the spoof news reports on RAF Luton or HMS Massive and youll see from some of the responses that theres a large number of folk out there who cant wait to react to the headline without actually reading the story.
It`s hilarious.😀

captain p wash
captain p wash
1 month ago
Reply to  Steve Salt

I really enjoy the RAF Luton Tweets, then again I really enjoy Humour too….. unlike some.

Mike O
Mike O
1 month ago
Reply to  captain p wash

It is things like RAF Luton that make me regret leaving twitter. So funny 😁

julian1
julian1
1 month ago

The headline isn’t actually wrong, its just open to mis-interpretation. For me the responsibility is on the individual to research the story before they start gobbing-off on SM

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  julian1

The problem is the individuals who are pushing this are actively interested in mis-interpreting it.
Take one poster, who is tweeting a screenshot of the headline, so that her followers can not actually read the article and inform themselves.

Last edited 1 month ago by Dern
spyintheskyuk
spyintheskyuk
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

Exactly, you can’t simply say its the responsibility of the reader to research the truth when the damage is already done and that reader (thousands) simply won’t do so when their own prejudices are backed up by a headline and indeed many a reader are deliberately exploiting any ability to use misleading or inaccurate headlines/stories for malevolent purposes. Its in the interest of all the rest of us NOT to feed them in these pursuits. The whole historical defence by the gun lobby in the US is based on a ludicrously misrepresented sentence by a Founding Father yet it is… Read more »

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  spyintheskyuk

Yeah, spend some time on twitter and it’s REALLY obvious how dangerous careless headlines can be.
Especially with people who don’t really understand the subject….

julian1
julian1
1 month ago
Reply to  George Allison

isnt that what the media does for almost anything – the types of people who are led astray, do they really care about this anyway? – if they did they’d be better informed surely

honoured to get a reply GA

Nate m
Nate m
1 month ago
Reply to  julian1

the younger generation would describe them as “KARENS” idiots who say vaccines cause autism.

Darren hall
Darren hall
1 month ago
Reply to  George Allison

True… But then as 90% of people only read the head lines, regardless it will be misinterpreted…

spyintheskyuk
spyintheskyuk
1 month ago
Reply to  George Allison

Exactly, classic clickbait.

Tomartyr
Tomartyr
1 month ago
Reply to  spyintheskyuk

I feel this is more ragebait than clickbait as the reader could assume a complete meaning from the title, and then not bother reading the article.
A true clickbait title would be something like “Experts STUNNED by type 31 contract winner. It’s not who YOU’RE thinking of.”

Last edited 1 month ago by Tomartyr
Bounce220
Bounce220
1 month ago
Reply to  George Allison

George, The headline is designed to attract traffic but that is the whole point of a headline. I would also like to point out that the headline discussed is very similar to one you published a few days ago “Imenco wins major contract for Type 31 Frigates”. This headline could also be misinterpreted to believe that Imenco has won the contract to build the T31. The point is that anyone who reads just the headline and believes they are informed enough to comment on the issue is not someone who you will ever be able to have an informed debate… Read more »

TrevorH
TrevorH
1 month ago
Reply to  George Allison

I think that is right. If you look at so called articles about stuff in the media, it is all about misrepresentation. disinformation, lies. All about pushing the gullible and then clicking on adverts. For all I know there are such ‘adverts’ at the bottom of this page now.

Steve
Steve
1 month ago
Reply to  George Allison

This is an issue of the modern world and people not having attention spans to read beyond the headlines. Media needs to make money and so makes the head lines sensational to get people to read further. Balanced reporting just doesn’t sell, which is a shame.

Pete
Pete
1 month ago
Reply to  George Allison

Hey George. Agree with the desire to have clear headlines ….but let’s be consistent. The following UKDJ headline is open to misinterpretation.

‘First delivery for UK Boxer programme’

Could easily have said ‘First major component delivery……’

Dern
Dern
1 month ago

Apparently it’s even dragged Feral Timelord out of retirement.

Shaun
Shaun
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

How do I unflagging, hit it by accident?

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  Shaun

I think just press it again? Trialing on myself.

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

Nope, oh well. Guess once you’ve flagged a comment it’s flagged.

Shaun
Shaun
1 month ago
Reply to  George Allison

As I use a tablet and consequently scroll by sweeping upwards with my finger, the current location keeps being hit by my finger! I like most are right handed?

Andy P
Andy P
1 month ago

I knew there was a reason I don’t do ‘social media’.

captain p wash
captain p wash
1 month ago
Reply to  Andy P

But, this is “Social Media” mate… It might not be Twatter or Farcebook but It’ entirely in the public domain for all to see and comment.

Andy P
Andy P
1 month ago
Reply to  captain p wash

Yeah, fair point, I should have been more specific. I do ‘do’ a few different forums etc but don’t do facebook/twitter/tiktok/grindr etc.

captain p wash
captain p wash
1 month ago
Reply to  Andy P

FB has sort of lost the plot though with the automatic system they use…. Calling a Donkey an Ass will get you banned for offensive language ! 😎 What’s this “Grinder” place BTW….. asking for a friend 😄

Andy P
Andy P
1 month ago
Reply to  captain p wash

😂 Um….. I wouldn’t want to spoil it for you, Cap, you should defo ‘suck it and see’ though…. 😉

captain p wash
captain p wash
1 month ago
Reply to  Andy P

😂

PaulW
PaulW
1 month ago
Reply to  captain p wash

If this is social media, can I post a snap of my cat? She does really funny stuff. 😂

Captain P Wash
Captain P Wash
1 month ago
Reply to  PaulW

Yup….. you certainly can.

captain p wash
captain p wash
1 month ago
Reply to  PaulW

See ? just like other Social Media Sites mate

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Emjay
Emjay
1 month ago
Reply to  captain p wash

😂

Karl
Karl
1 month ago

No need to get revved up about stuff like this. It’s fake, we know it is. If some lard arse Daily Mail reader believes it so what?

Callum
Callum
1 month ago
Reply to  Karl

Somehow I doubt most of the ScotNats read the Mail. As for what the issue is, feeding the independence mob fuel to burn is hardly helpful, is it?

max
max
1 month ago

why is France building UK ships

Last edited 1 month ago by max
Lisa West (Comment Moderator)
Lisa West (Comment Moderator)
1 month ago
Reply to  max

Please read the article.

captain p wash
captain p wash
1 month ago

I think it was humour …. 😀 well that’s what I saw it as.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  max

🙄

PaulW
PaulW
1 month ago

Quite a good example for how dangerous the media can be. Likely to have been deliberate by lighting a match and seeing what burns. Seems to be the norm now.

Emjay
Emjay
1 month ago

Some idiot on Twitter (@tideyd01) claims that “we had to use French planes to make our aircraft carrier operational”. Rafale landings would be a tad tricky never mind the take-offs.

Last edited 1 month ago by Emjay
Lordtemplar
Lordtemplar
1 month ago
Reply to  Emjay

Take offs would not be the issue (although payload would be). But landings would not be possible without arrestor gear.
FYI the F18 Hornets did some tests last year for the Indian Navy bid, although there was no mention of fuel and weapons payload, which is the real trick.

TrevorH
TrevorH
1 month ago
Reply to  Emjay

The guy who invented the web must be sat with his head in his hands.

captain p wash
captain p wash
1 month ago
Reply to  TrevorH

I have an Image in my head of Spiderman now……😉

Andrew
Andrew
1 month ago

It was all probably started by the anp to drum up support for indyref2

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
1 month ago

And on Thursday the 6th of May. Who’d have thought!

Farouk
Farouk
1 month ago

I hear the town folk of Hartlepool have just hung a French Monkey in protest…no wait.

Herodotus
Herodotus
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

No, they have just elected a Conservative MP. Some would say that it amounts to the same thing. Was it a baboon, and was its arse blue?

dan
dan
1 month ago

I deleted all my social media accounts last year because all they do is try to influence the weak minded people to their liberal views. I don’t miss Twitter, Instagram, ect at all! So much happier now.

James
James
1 month ago

I don’t generally get why Thales is part of every major British project along with Leonardo when other British defence companies are left in the cold ? Do the French allow a British subsidy be part of any of their projects ? No No unless they want to extract tech and then leave them in the cold. Many critical former British companies are foreign owned this days. What if France says we will put the plug out on them if the UK complies not? We see Jersey tomorrow it could be the UK

Last edited 1 month ago by James
Nick C
Nick C
1 month ago

All sorts of interesting comments, as always. Is there any way to be able to tap in to all the “followers” of the idiots who are peddling this story and give the counter argument?
And here’s a challenge. I am willing to bet that when HMS Glasgow is floated down the Clyde to Scotstoun for fitting out some wag will start a whinge along the lines of “It’s only one frigate and we were promised 13”. Any takers?

captain p wash
captain p wash
1 month ago
Reply to  Nick C

Ha, well to be fair, the F35 Order has been cut from 138 to 48… the T45 was cut from 12 to 6, T26 was cut from 13 to 8, the Warriors are being cut all together, Wedgetails cut to 3, Sentinal cut to 0, All the current Mine hunters too, Soldiers cut yet again C130’s all gone, Puma’s, Gazelles, Bells also cut to ZERO, Typhoon Tranche 1’s all cut, CH2’s cut too….. bugger me mate, don’t be too cock sure
😆

Nick C
Nick C
1 month ago
Reply to  captain p wash

Good evening Captain P. I was being rather limited in my outlook on the previous post, and rather just focussing on the disinformation that is so easily spread via anti social media. When I was in we had north of 70 escorts of all descriptions, from Type 14’s to DLG’s, and the pongos had 3 divisions in BAOR. And that was just to counter a binary threat. Arguably now the world is a very much more uncertain place with multiple threats, and the Armed Forces are bouncing along on the bones of their collective behinds. ( I would say bones… Read more »

captain p wash
captain p wash
1 month ago
Reply to  Nick C

To be fair mate, I share your concerns and some of your memories and experiences too, truth be known……. It’s a far cry from my time but I guess what we do have now is way better, just a shame we have so little.

Nick C
Nick C
1 month ago
Reply to  captain p wash

Agreed. How do you make a politician understand that however good the weapon system, be it ship, aircraft or tank, it can still only be in one place at a time.

Andrew D
Andrew D
1 month ago
Reply to  Nick C

Ask him how he feels about a pay cut

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago

One cannot argue with stupid people. But well tried George.

Captain P Wash
Captain P Wash
1 month ago
Reply to  Barry Larking

That’s very true.

Andrew D
Andrew D
1 month ago

Fake news the level people go to remember getting up one Saturday morning it was only some weeks after the chemical attack on the UK by MR Putin ediots the BBC news were showing article’s of fake news footage ,and sadly for me the one playing at the time was USSR ships fireing on NATO ships I just FROZE for a min thinking this is it ,my misses walk into the room asking if I wanted breakfast and said what’s up have you seen a ghost 👻then article finished and happy to find out all fake but for a second… Read more »

david
david
23 days ago

George. I replied here and elsewhere. Where they censored or is there a problem with my posts not saving?