A £195 million contract for a further 13 Protector uncrewed aircraft has been signed, bringing the total to 16.
Defence Minister Jeremy Quin announced the new contract during a visit to GKN Aerospace (GKNA), who are manufacturing key parts of aircraft on the Isle of Wight.
According to the Ministry of Defence:
“Its ability to fly consistently for up to 40 hours will offer the RAF vastly improved armed intelligence and reconnaissance sorties. The innovative fleet will also have advanced anti-icing and lightning protection, providing the RAF with unprecedented flexibility to operate in extreme weather conditions. Protector also comes with enhanced data links and will carry next-generation, low collateral, precision strike weapons – the UK-made Brimstone missile (MBDA) and Paveway IV Laser Guided Bomb (Raytheon UK).”
Defence Minister Jeremy Quin said:
“Our fleet of sixteen Protector aircraft equipped with ultra-modern technology will provide the RAF with a vast global reach allowing us to monitor and protect the battlespace for hours on end.
The Protector programme involves industry across the UK with vital parts of the aircraft manufactured on the Isle of Wight, supporting highly-skilled jobs for years to come.”
The commitment to a 16-strong Protector fleet was outlined in the Defence Command Paper.
Protector Programme Senior Responsible Owner, Air Commodore Richard Barrow said:
“The contract for the additional 13 Protector aircraft, taking the total to 16, is a major milestone for the UK. When Protector enters service in 2024, UK Defence will take an enormous jump forward in capability, giving us the ability to operate globally with this cutting-edge, highly-adaptable platform.”
CEO of Defence Equipment and Support, Sir Simon Bollom said:
“I am delighted the purchase of a further 13 Protector aircraft has been confirmed enabling us to ensure the RAF will have the increased capability needed to operate effectively in the modern battlespace.”
The Ministry of Defence also say that later this year, Protector’s capability will be demonstrated in the UK. A SkyGuardian aircraft will take to the skies in Lincolnshire before taking part in Exercise Joint Warrior from RAF Lossiemouth.
“Protector will have to meet stringent NATO and UK safety certification standards meaning it could operate in civilian airspace. It therefore will also be available, if requested, to support civilian agencies in the UK, for example in search and rescue and disaster response missions.
The fleet will also have advanced anti-icing and lightning protection, providing the RAF with unprecedented flexibility to operate in adverse weather conditions. The aircraft will use enhanced data links and carry next-generation, low collateral, precision strike weapons – the UK-made Brimstone missile and Paveway IV Laser Guided Bomb.”
Last year, the UK’s first Protector RG Mk1 aircraft has successfully completed its first flight after coming off the production line, say the Ministry of Defence.
UK’s first Protector RG Mk1 successfully completes first flight
You can read more about the first flight here.
The first three aircraft were ordered last year, with the first two completed and currently undergoing test and evaluation in the US. The first aircraft delivery to the RAF will be in 2023.
At what point was the ‘more than 20’ statement quietly dropped?
Bit of a woolly name I’ve always thought. What will they protect people from? Life perhaps when they rain fire from above!
😂😂😂
I don’t think the hand wringing brigade could have coped with “Scavanger”
I know there is the argument for always getting more but is it enough when its hoped they will supplement the Poseidons and supplement so much more
Now Protector is a much more public friendly sounding name than Reaper or Predator. No change in the role, it just sounds nicer.
I wonder if Britain has been allowed to purchase the stealthy American drones that have been flying for years? Would be nice to have a few of those.
Which ones?
Cor not much.
A small squadron of RQ180s, ta very much
No chance. That’s probably much higher clearance than the F-22. The RQ 180 is meant to be an AWACS and general networker on top of a stealth drone.
Excellent news 👍
Yes, despite all the inevitable moans.
So this is the order to bring it up to already announced numbers. Not really “more” then.
I read that we have an option to buy another 12 and that they could be the marinised version to augment the P8s. Hope that’s true.
We ordered 3.
We have now ordered 13 more
What don’t you follow with the word “more”.
More than the 16 already announced, not difficult to understand.
It is being mildly pedantic, the title is not incorrect in the fact that 13 ‘more’ than the initial 3 have been ordered.
No where does it state that we have ordered more than the original procurement plan.
What is the maximum length of flight time compared to the much friendlier named Predator and where would these Assets be controlled from UK, Nevada, or Fwd control positions ?
UK in a secure hanger at RAF Waddington and at Indian Springs, Nevada, where RAF personnel are embedded with USAF.
Thanks ,for that Danniele a little piece of British overseas Sovereign territory in the USA
Morning Tommo.
Not quite, I believe that facility is very much American. We are guests there, like at Dam Neck and other places in the UK where US personnel embed with UK forces. RAF Pilots might well be flying US as well as UK Reapers.
REAPERS.PREDATORS GLOBAL HAWK all aggressive in name and abilities Protecter ,traffic control eye in the sky for live .motoring updates if motorways are required as runways ??? Just being bloody cynical today must be the heat
40hr endurance.
Cheers Robert Controller’s better drink lots of Caffeine enriched Coffee
Good news.
Would have been better if it had been 13 more in addition to the 16 planned! Which was how I first interpreted the headline.
You and me both, mate!
Do you remember when they mentioned ~25 of these were to be procured? Or am I imagining that?
Sorry mate, i dont recall that. I recall 20.
However, these are more than our 10 Reaper and better. We will take it.
Ah, maybe it was 20. That rings a bell.
I have too many numbers rattling around in my head.
Edit: I would agree that it’s more than the Reaper numbers, but at the moment, these airframes are being asked to also replace other types that are leaving/are due to leave service. I’ll take 16 but would prefer a few more – particularly as this tech is clearly what they’re aiming to use more of in the future.
Edit 2: I remember where I got 25 from – it was the original A400M order/aspiration number.
I am concerned this number is woefully inadequate given the past erosion of the RAF “sharp end” squadrons. Logic steers my thinking that a force level of 40 to 60 is required to stand up maybe 3 to 4 sqns? I understand the hard capex costs are sizeable, but they can’t be anywhere near the opex of say a typhoon sqn?
It seems the RN is going to land at circa 50% the surface combat assets it had in 1990 (24 ish vessels), which is welcome news. So why is the RAF not funded to maintain 15ish front line combat squadrons i.e half of 1990 levels?
Appreciate drones are vulnerable in a high threat environment , but they have real value in low threat environments. To put this bluntly, dropping a 500 lb LGB on a group of wannabee neo Marxists hiding in cave somewhere in the middle east is way more cost effective than having a typhoon doing the task.
Anyway, my 5c worth for this Friday morning here in the Antipodes. Have a good weekend all, To all in the UK, enjoy your new found freedom and take care of yourself!
Hi K.
Our old bugbear, the lost FJ squadrons.
Seems unthinkable we have gone so low.
Maybe the Loyal Wingman and LANCA type UCAVs will make up some of the lost mass. CAS did suggest as such.
thx Daniele, indeed -fingers crossed on your point re loyal wingman.
Sorry for my cynicism here, but aren’t all these prop based UAVs very slow moving and surely an easy target for any half decent SAM system? Are they that super stealthy and have decoys like Brite cloud?
What is the estimated ceiling height for these uavs, hate to see them brought down by something as simple as a real predator ie a trained bird of prey
No chance of that! 😀
Just read the glossy colour pitch Medium Alititude long endurance (male) I take it H eight and duration at this time classified armed with paveway hope it’s radar cross-section section is that of a sparrow
And no Vapour trail emissions that will please Greta
Hi Quentin sorry re the late reply, I think it’s really about tactics for e.g. brimstone has a stand -off range of about 20km. I imagine the apache fleet faces similar challenges re close air support ,
Woefully? Really!
a late reply to your point. Sometimes my frustration of 30 years of cuts gets the better of me – I withdraw the “woefully inadequate” to inadequate.
Appreciate your withdrawal of “Woefully”. So your “Inadequate” is based upon careful and considered evaluation of current taskings and sorties?
You do off course appreciate that in the last calendar year close to 50% of sorties were carried out by our current drone force, which is less than our planned drone force. I would add that looking at “yesterdays” weapons and saying that we should have the same number today, is not logical or reasonable. Just as looking at the computers of the 70’s and comparing them with smartphones of today, and saying that we should have the same number, is neither logical or reasonable, however emotionally satisfying.
Current weapons systems cannot be compared with “legacy” systems as they are vastly more advanced, just as an iPhone is vastly more powerful than a BBC basic computer! (and one hundredth the size).
We often fall into the trap of looking at systems in isolation. A quick example, using drones/aircraft, would be that drones have enables less sorties by aircraft. But smart bombs and precision missiles have also enabled the increased use of drones. The same applies to ships and radar and missiles etc etc. Technology has a multiplier effect with makes counting old numbers, silly.
Thank you for the analysis. I understand you are evaluating actual events across a relatively limited engagement. So what maybe fit for purposes in that context, is likely to be insufficient to scale up in a crisis. Some force level of critical mass is needed. The numbers are of course debatable but history show European democracies have often left wanting in a crisis.
I cannot give you a definitive number because I don’t know what future events may transpire. The same applies at how we arrive at 50 Apaches or 7 squadrons of Typhoons . Logically 1 UAV unit is limited and cannot be in two places at once.
My principal gripe is the RN appears to have settled at 24 surface ships circa 50% post cold war level. So why the disproportionate cuts to RAF combat assets to less than third of their original levels?
Lastly I have some experience in air forces ops in a previous life. I can assure you we were regularly pressed by the army for more support. I can also tell you in my experience things sometimes break in the field at the point you need them to work. Redundancy is a valuable thing my friend.
Thanks for your kind response. I do appreciate your experience “in a former life” and the need for redundancy. My “former life” being in risk/project management, I hope you don’t object to my trying to move the discussion on to a more “analytical” plane. The reason for my participation in forums like UKDJ is because I have and interest in defence matters and I hope to (and do on occasion) learn from real experience and technical experts.
However, there is also a tendency in such forums to disparage all MOD/Political decisions as rubbish or insufficient. Whilst I respectfully agree that mistakes are made, having worked on major international projects, I would not characterise the decision makers as generally incompetent. Rather most are struggling with resource decisions and information deficits.
I believe “context” is always key in these matters and it always looks better elsewhere (until you go there). In this regard compared to the mega-wastage in US defence and decline in defence competence of some of our European allies I believe UK defence does a fair job and is on an upwards trajectory. There will always be exceptions and in this regard the Navy and Airforce have tended to do better jobs than the Army.
So I appreciate your feedback, and I hope mine is taken in the spirit that is intended.
Thanks for the the reply, appreciate your thoughts. Your point re the UK pulling it’s weight is well made. Things could be considerably worse and the current government deserves recognition for shifting the up the budget dial.
Anyone know the rank structure for the RAF personnel who fly them. All Pilots these days seem to be of Officer rank, and the only other ranks who get in the air, are Winchmen, Gunners, and a few on the wide-body craft.
It would be interesting to know if NCO’s and JNCO’s are “crewing” them.
Look forward to someone in the know, explaining the structure.
No idea but I do believe their ID’s are classified.
All pilots and I think navigators and flight engineers are officer now. The only none commission aircrew would be the load masters and cabin crew.
Crews are officer’s. You can now join the RAF from day 1 as a UAV pilot. They undertake the same basic flight training as reqular new pilots (PerfectT1). Before specialising on UAV operations.
I wonder if the name is a nod to the name of the ship in Galaxy Quest? If so, it is a nice little joke.
Wasn’t Tim Allan, the commander he may now be a remote controller as well for the sequel Allan verses Protecter sorry about the limp pun it’s the Heat
But how will the robot know to kill if it doesn’t have a scary name?
Recente drone training in Israel including Usa, UK, France, Germany, Italy.
Who are we protecting ourselves from ? I suspect some 3rd world country, but who ? £195M sounds cheap by todays prices so are they being bought because they are good and are providing us with some form of technical superior capability or is it just that they are cheap ? We all love a bargain 🙂