HMS Defender is in Glasgow this weekend and an image shows Type 26 Frigate HMS Glasgow (sort of) nearby the Type 45 Destroyer.
HMS Defender has returned to the River Clyde for a four-day visit to her affiliated city.
Here's HMS Defender in Glasgow today with HMS Glasgow in the background, the very far background. pic.twitter.com/b5BKNKB35l
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The Type 45 Destroyer, which was built on the Clyde by BAE Systems, is berthed at Govan’s King George V Docks, just a mile down river from where she was built.
HMS Glasgow, the first of eight Type 26 Frigates, was built at the same shipyard as Defender and she is currently fitting out in Scotstoun.
An interesting read regards the vulnerability of the west to sabotage from the sea. As always this post will self delete after 7 days:
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We need to up our game, clearly.
200 ships.
Where we and NATO have 1:3 / 1:4 with regards ships able to sail, all the NATO navies together would be hard pressed to monitor those Russian ships.
However, if there is an act of war, do we sink one of them as a warning to the Russians?
Posidon can only monitor and it would take warship ie not a River, to intervene.
The West can always do something similar in kind. Russia may then be made even weaker. Hope the West is well and truly watching what’s going on sub-surface right now and taking an audit of as much as possible. Don’t even to publicise it, just do it. Hopefully there’s already some sort of backup and redundancy on key cables and satellite to global comms thats been built it for scenarios like this.
The latest issue of European security and defence is on line. The link takes you to a PDF version (No issues from my paid for Anti-virus) Subjects discussed: The State of Autonomy, AI & Robotics for Russia’s Ground Vehicles Dagger Fallen – Assessing Ukraine’s Downing of the Kinzhal Missile Trident II and Standard Missile 6 set Landmarks in Missile Performance THAAD Comes of Age Modernising Slovakia’s Ground-Based Air Defence Israel’s Counter-UAV Technologies: Securing the Skies Portable Unmanned Assets Trends in Personal Weapon Sights and Ancillary Systems Soldier Communications – Rugged, Capable, and Interoperable Cut of the Cloth Good Detection is… Read more »
We need to take Harbour Defence seriously. A lot of this can be done by taking up RIBs and other private motor vessels. We also need control of our coasts and inshore waters.
According to the Polish sources, FCM/CAMM-EX will have a range of around 100km. Older sources suggested it might have a BMD capability against SRBM with the Poles considering it a cheaper alternative to PAC-3 MSE.
If so this would be very good news for the Navy and Army.
For the Navy, it would be a low cost alternative to Aster 30 with more able to be carried.
CAMM has a 10km flight altitude, pretty poor for conventional air defence let alone BMD
Could that not be increased?
From my understanding Aster 15 and 30 are much the same missiles, with the only difference being the booster, giving Aster 30 a bigger minimum range.
Would the same not apply to CAMM-EX?
CAMM-ER range is about 45km range. But still only local defence only. The version Poland is getting is CAMM-MR, a new version with a range of 100km.
Too many on here are mixing up miles with kilometres!
Well we are British after all….its those foreigners fault with those damned SI unit thingies…
To increase the flight altitude by adding boosters, or even by replacing the propulsion system, you would need to make significant external and internal changes to the steering systems…after doing all that you have pretty much produced a whole new missile. Boosters aren’t always the solution either. The Aster’s booster-terminal dart arrangement is bit of an exception. Calling it a booster makes it seem like an accessory when in fact the dart and ‘booster’ are dependent on one another. I prefer CAMM without a booster. By adding a booster to a CAMM you create a number of… Read more »
It would supplement CAMM, not replace it. 48 VLS for CAMM on T26 is a lot. It could be split 32 CAMM and 16 CAMM-EX. Of course the dart and the booster are dependent on one another, but if Aster 15 can be upgraded to Aster 30, then CAMM-EX would surely carry a lot of commonality with CAMM. As you’ve already said, CAMM has an altitude of 33,000 feet, meaning the army has no way of shooting down aircraft above that. Against a peer enemy with a strong air force and air defence, preventing many RAF sorties, would mean for… Read more »
That still is 33000 ft. But still below high flying fighter aircraft.
Where are the Thunderbirds when you want them?
We in the West and UK have been in denial of the potential of missiles for too long. Bit like Haig saying in 1916 there would always be a role for Cavalry. AI is going to change warfare amongst peer enemies for the worse.